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jetforcejiminy said:
Aura7541 said:

Why would I quibble over 100K when that's not even close to how many PC gamers who have purchased and played Dark Souls 2? Sorry, but you need to do more research on the PC market.

yes, i know digital sales exist. but this site tracks physical retail sales only. and so i'm referring only to those, and in the context of those, 100k is essentially negligible... so about that bet? 33-35m vs. _____?

You have no evidence to prove that only 100K copies of the PC version of Dark Soul 2 were sold.

Here's my evidence: "More importantly, this success shows that PC ports are as profitable as ever.With over 70,000 players on at any given time, it's fair to guess that the PC version has sold over 150,000 copies. As word gets around about how good the game is, that number should increase dramatically."

Oh, and do note that the PC version came out on April 24. This article came out only 2 days after its release. So what were you saying about 100K being "essentially negligible".....???

Link: (http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/681257-dark-souls-2s-popularity-on-pc-shows-that-pc-gaming-is-as-big-as-ever#/slide/1 )



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Aura7541 said:
jetforcejiminy said:
Aura7541 said:

Why would I quibble over 100K when that's not even close to how many PC gamers who have purchased and played Dark Souls 2? Sorry, but you need to do more research on the PC market.

yes, i know digital sales exist. but this site tracks physical retail sales only. and so i'm referring only to those, and in the context of those, 100k is essentially negligible... so about that bet? 33-35m vs. _____?

You have no evidence to prove that only 100K copies of the PC version of Dark Soul 2 were sold.

Here's my evidence: "More importantly, this success shows that PC ports are as profitable as ever.With over 70,000 players on at any given time, it's fair to guess that the PC version has sold over 150,000 copies. As word gets around about how good the game is, that number should increase dramatically."

Oh, and do note that the PC version came out on April 24. This article came out only 2 days after its release. So what were you saying about 100K being "essentially negligible".....???

Link: (http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/681257-dark-souls-2s-popularity-on-pc-shows-that-pc-gaming-is-as-big-as-ever#/slide/1 )

all right, i'm about done explaining anything to you, but what i said was not that digital+retail was negligible, just that RETAIL is all i have from vgchartz and yes, 100k retail IS negligible in the context of 2.5m in physical sales on ps360. this has gotten so derailed from the original topic, you're contradicting yourself.

it sold well when it WAS on pc, 360 and ps3. bloodborne's only on ps4. it will not sell anywhere near as well. it may not get to 2m for YEARS, not months, if it ever does. it may take all or most of 2015 for it to get to 1m. PARTICULARLY because there are no ports. and because it is not a souls title, but a separate series with some of the same mechanics but a different emphasis (more of an action-horror angle). to look to (dark) souls titles (multiplat), especially those that were cross-platform, in an attempt to predict the sales of bloodborne (exclusive), is like looking at a mainline halo (blockbuster exclusive) title to predict the sales of destiny (multiplat). it just doesn't follow.

just out of morbid curiosity, how much, exactly, do you think bloodborne will sell lifetime? in 2015?



jetforcejiminy said:

all right, i'm about done explaining anything to you, but what i said was not that digital+retail was negligible, just that RETAIL is all i have from vgchartz and yes, 100k retail IS negligible in the context of 2.5m in physical sales on ps360. this has gotten so derailed from the original topic, you're contradicting yourself.

it sold well when it WAS on pc, 360 and ps3. bloodborne's only on ps4. it will not sell anywhere near as well. it may not get to 2m for YEARS, not months, if it ever does. it may take all or most of 2015 for it to get to 1m. PARTICULARLY because there are no ports. and because it is not a souls title, but a separate series with some of the same mechanics but a different emphasis (more of an action-horror angle). to look to (dark) souls titles (multiplat), especially those that were cross-platform, in an attempt to predict the sales of bloodborne (exclusive), is like looking at a mainline halo (blockbuster exclusive) title to predict the sales of destiny (multiplat). it just doesn't follow.

just out of morbid curiosity, how much, exactly, do you think bloodborne will sell lifetime? in 2015?

You didn't even say that the 100K figure that you fabricated were physical sales only nor have you even proved that that number is true. But let's say that you actually did clarify at the beginning.... what was your point from pointing out that 100K physical sales are negligible? You do know that the majority of PC sales are done digitally (look at Steam). Like I said before, you need to do more research on the PC market.



Aura7541 said:
jetforcejiminy said:

all right, i'm about done explaining anything to you, but what i said was not that digital+retail was negligible, just that RETAIL is all i have from vgchartz and yes, 100k retail IS negligible in the context of 2.5m in physical sales on ps360. this has gotten so derailed from the original topic, you're contradicting yourself.

it sold well when it WAS on pc, 360 and ps3. bloodborne's only on ps4. it will not sell anywhere near as well. it may not get to 2m for YEARS, not months, if it ever does. it may take all or most of 2015 for it to get to 1m. PARTICULARLY because there are no ports. and because it is not a souls title, but a separate series with some of the same mechanics but a different emphasis (more of an action-horror angle). to look to (dark) souls titles (multiplat), especially those that were cross-platform, in an attempt to predict the sales of bloodborne (exclusive), is like looking at a mainline halo (blockbuster exclusive) title to predict the sales of destiny (multiplat). it just doesn't follow.

just out of morbid curiosity, how much, exactly, do you think bloodborne will sell lifetime? in 2015?

You didn't even say that the 100K figure that you fabricated were physical sales only nor have you even proved that that number is true. But let's say that you actually did clarify at the beginning.... what was your point from pointing out that 100K physical sales are negligible? You do know that the majority of PC sales are done digitally (look at Steam). Like I said before, you need to do more research on the PC market.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73249/dark-souls-ii/

love how you responded to absolutely nothing i said. we're done talking bud.



jetforcejiminy said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73249/dark-souls-ii/

love how you responded to absolutely nothing i said. we're done talking bud.

Oh dear.... why oh why would you use VGC software numbers?

And you haven't answered my question. What was the point of counting only physical sales of the PC version when PC games are usually digitally distributed? Are you really that unwilling to discuss and answer a simple question?



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Aura7541 said:
jetforcejiminy said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73249/dark-souls-ii/

love how you responded to absolutely nothing i said. we're done talking bud.

Oh dear.... why oh why would you use VGC software numbers?

if it (dark souls ii) sold 50 million on pc, that would have what kind of an influence on the console sales of a console exclusive title under a completely different name with a completely different focus (bloodborne) and no chance of a pc port in sight?



jetforcejiminy said:
Aura7541 said:
jetforcejiminy said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73249/dark-souls-ii/

love how you responded to absolutely nothing i said. we're done talking bud.

Oh dear.... why oh why would you use VGC software numbers?

if it (dark souls ii) sold 50 million on pc, that would have what kind of an influence on the console sales of a console exclusive title under a completely different name with a completely different focus (bloodborne) and no chance of a pc port in sight?

Soooo From Software and Sony cannot advertise Bloodborne with a "From the creators of Dark Souls and Dark Souls II" tagline? So just because Bloodborne has a (not completely, mind you) different focus, it will not relatively sell as well as the Dark Souls series? What if it is different in a good way and that draws in curiousity of other gamers who haven't tried the series before? Is Dark Souls II being discontinued right now despite being less than a year old and thus, Bloodborne will only be in the market for 10 months?



CGI-Quality said:
vivster said:
Time to overshoot again, eh?

Not quite as bad as undershooting. ;)

I think overshooting is inherently worse. It's always about the closest bet without going over ;)



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Almost a conservative prediction.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

I think the market has shrunk and that PS4 will reach 30M by years end. And it will be the console with more units sold in 2015 by far (like it was in 2014).