here is a good video explaining why the steam machine will flop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIm5zz--S0

Isn't the Shield 2 the Shield Tablet? I always assumed it was since it has the same streaming features as the original.

But yeah Amazon would be my guess as well for the same reason. They seem to be buying dev teams to make first-party software, although that could just as easily mean for their Fire TV thing. I guess we'll see in a few years.

Bolded: Thanks for agreeing with me that they WILL flop, not that they HAVE ALREADY flopped as you said and which was the reason I replied to your comment.

I already said that I think they will flop and, quite frankly, that video is laughable. I only watched the first 3 minutes but that was already enough for me.

"This is the last gen of consoles"? Of course not! Time (and Nintendo) will prove him wrong. "A console is defined by being a machine with physical media"? Ridiculous. "They should be separate from any service"? Xbox Live and PS Plus say hi! They are mandatory services to play online. "Steam Machines and 3DO are the same"? Oh c'mon! One was a fixed and licensed (to be payed) hardware with no software while the other is a free operating system to be used by whoever wants. Yep, they are pretty much the same...

xbox live and ps+ you say? so what makes these services different than any other gaming service like steam or google play? Are these devices who run these services now also consoles?

What makes consoles to this day different is the fact i can play and buy physical media. No any other of these devices and services have such an impact on retail that their games could be successfully displayed in shelfs. 

3DO and steam machines are pretty much the same, 3DO basicly allowed everyone one to built their version of 3DO consoles. Thats why you see samsung, panasonic, sanyo and goldstar (LG) who have built these consoles.

Because 3DO never made any just like Valve isnt making their own steam machines. And thats one of the reasons why they will also flop because these 13 different manufactors will try to make profit out from your purchase.

Its not like alianware for example will get any money if you buy games on their device on steam? or if you buy valves contoller? Thats why the alianware alpha is allready overpriced in comparison to a ps4, sony just designed the ps4 so they could make only 20$ profit because they can still get money from you if buy their accessories, services, games (license fee) etc. While alianware for example clearly made their consoles to 200-250$ profit.

Thats why the 3DO to this day is one of the most expensive consoles ever released. The Neo Geo which was a real arcade machine at the time and came 3 years earlier was only more expensive. You allready can see steam machines cant compete with PS4 and Xbox 1s price point and going upwards there is no point why you shouldnt just built a windows pc in the first place.

Steam machines will be one of the biggest flops/failures in history, mark my words

First of all, I already said twice that I'm one of those who think the Steam Machines will fail. You don't need to convince me.

Regarding the rest:

In the video on why "devices" such as Ouya and the Steam Machines aren't consoles: in his actual words "Game consoles should be unattached to any kind of service. It should be able to operate without anything else".

That's why I mentioned Live and PSPlus becausese there are games (Titanfall, Destiny) on both consoles that without that kind of paid service you can't play the game. And I don't know about him, but I have Steam and once I have downloaded my game, I can play it without being online. What's more, I can buy physical, retail PC games and once the key has been activated, install them on my PC just fine and play, like some games on current gen consoles (minus the WiiU) do.

Regarding the 3DO and the Steam Machines.

The 3DO was 1 same hardware for anyone wanting to make their own "3DO-variant" machine (after paying Panasonic the license fee). It was many different boxes with the same hardware but... how many games did those consoles have? Almost none, because Panasonic only thought about the hardware, not the software.

With the Steam Machines it's almost the opposite. Valve is developing an open source OS that will be free to any PC manufacturer (or anyone who builds their own PCs) to use it on their own machine which in turn will have the looks and specs they choose. They'll be able to go with AMD or Intel CPUs, with 4 up to 128 GB of RAM, with 1 or several GPUs from any manufacturer (AMD or Nvidia) or brand (Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, EVGA, etc), with the amount and kind of storage they choose, with the size of a shoebox or as big as a mini-fridge, etc. But the most important thing here is that it will have the games because it already has them.

And that's because, in the end, the Steam Machines will simply be PCs with a different OS that is more focused on gaming rather than being all purpose like Windows. Alienware and all the other PC manufacturers will have Steam Machines whenever it finally launches because like with every other Windows based gaming PC they sell, they will get the money from selling the machines, not the games nor anything else. It will be their business as usual.

What ultimately will make the Steam Machines a failure is they are just regular PCs with a gimped OS focused on gaming that, because it is based on Linux, it won't play half the games that are released on PC whereas if you buy a PC with Windows and install Steam, you'll be able to play them all. That is what will make them fail.