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Robbie2010 on 14 January 2015
thismeintiel said:
This pretty much proves for the XBO to have a chance, it HAS to be at least $50 cheaper than the PS4, with a couple of games thrown in, in order to compete. It'll also be interesting to see if the XBO will follow a sales pattern similar to the Wii in the 2nd half of its life. Mediocre sales until the holidays, then sales will ramp up incredibly.

Also, one must consider that if anyone is buying a XBO online, they'd be a fool not to get it from Amazon, as you'll save $15 (it was even cheaper during the first week or so of Jan.) Everyone else has it for $399. So sales for XBO on Amazon will probably be slightly inflated when compared to other sites.


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?



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Angelv577 on 14 January 2015

New yearly rankings .
PS4: 12
Xb1 : 17



Intrinsic on 14 January 2015
Robbie2010 said:


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

As for XB1, I have no doubt in my mind that we will see an official XB1 price drop to $300 this year. What remains to be seen is just how aggressive MS will get. They could very well offer bf deals with either halo or tomb raider bundled in at that price point.

As for the PS4, its anyone's guess if they would drop the price this year. But when they do I expect it to be a drop to $300. I am beginning to suspect that what we will get this year are just bundles at $400 though like we did last year. So I expect we will see an uncharted bundle at $400 this holiday season. They are already doing this with the current TLoU bundle. But if Sony really wants to go for the jugular, then they will also drop to $300 this year. Just don't see it happening unless sales during the year starts tracking behind last year sales. Technically, that's the only business marker that your product needs a price drop. They wouldn't just drop the price to outsell ms more than they already are. 



thismeintiel on 14 January 2015
Robbie2010 said:
thismeintiel said:
This pretty much proves for the XBO to have a chance, it HAS to be at least $50 cheaper than the PS4, with a couple of games thrown in, in order to compete. It'll also be interesting to see if the XBO will follow a sales pattern similar to the Wii in the 2nd half of its life. Mediocre sales until the holidays, then sales will ramp up incredibly.

Also, one must consider that if anyone is buying a XBO online, they'd be a fool not to get it from Amazon, as you'll save $15 (it was even cheaper during the first week or so of Jan.) Everyone else has it for $399. So sales for XBO on Amazon will probably be slightly inflated when compared to other sites.


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

I don't think so.  That would just be too much loss at this point in time, I think.  Especially if they need to include a couple new games in the bundle.  Who knows, though.  I didn't think MS was going to drop it to $349 for two whole months, either.



 

Robbie2010 on 14 January 2015
thismeintiel said:
Robbie2010 said:
thismeintiel said:
This pretty much proves for the XBO to have a chance, it HAS to be at least $50 cheaper than the PS4, with a couple of games thrown in, in order to compete. It'll also be interesting to see if the XBO will follow a sales pattern similar to the Wii in the 2nd half of its life. Mediocre sales until the holidays, then sales will ramp up incredibly.

Also, one must consider that if anyone is buying a XBO online, they'd be a fool not to get it from Amazon, as you'll save $15 (it was even cheaper during the first week or so of Jan.) Everyone else has it for $399. So sales for XBO on Amazon will probably be slightly inflated when compared to other sites.


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

I don't think so.  That would just be too much loss at this point in time, I think.  Especially if they need to include a couple new games in the bundle.  Who knows, though.  I didn't think MS was going to drop it to $349 for two whole months, either.


What if both companies get out a slim model and price it $300?  Possible maybe.



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thismeintiel on 14 January 2015
Intrinsic said:
Robbie2010 said:


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

As for XB1, I have no doubt in my mind that we will see an official XB1 price drop to $300 this year. What remains to be seen is just how aggressive MS will get. They could very well offer bf deals with either halo or tomb raider bundled in at that price point.

As for the PS4, its anyone's guess if they would drop the price this year. But when they do I expect it to be a drop to $300. I am beginning to suspect that what we will get this year are just bundles at $400 though like we did last year. So I expect we will see an uncharted bundle at $400 this holiday season. They are already doing this with the current TLoU bundle. But if Sony really wants to go for the jugular, then they will also drop to $300 this year. Just don't see it happening unless sales during the year starts tracking behind last year sales. Technically, that's the only business marker that your product needs a price drop. They wouldn't just drop the price to outsell ms more than they already are.

Personally, I don't think SCEA is really all that worried about getting involved in a price war, and instead are focusing on profit.  At least that seems the case considering they didn't match the XBO price cut, while SCEE did.  That's why I think Sony is only going to cut the NA price to $349 this year.  Not entirely sure MS really wants to incur the kinda losses they did last year, just to make up a few 100Ks in just one territory, and cut to $299.  Have to wait and see.



 

thismeintiel on 14 January 2015
Robbie2010 said:
thismeintiel said:
Robbie2010 said:


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

I don't think so.  That would just be too much loss at this point in time, I think.  Especially if they need to include a couple new games in the bundle.  Who knows, though.  I didn't think MS was going to drop it to $349 for two whole months, either.


What if both companies get out a slim model and price it $300?  Possible maybe.

Highly doubt we're going to see a slim model this early in the gen.  Earliest would be next year.



 

Protendo on 14 January 2015
Intrinsic said:
Robbie2010 said:


If Sony lowers the price next holiday the situation will be even more dire for MS.  If Sony drops to 350 will MS drop to 300 to compete next holiday?

As for XB1, I have no doubt in my mind that we will see an official XB1 price drop to $300 this year. What remains to be seen is just how aggressive MS will get. They could very well offer bf deals with either halo or tomb raider bundled in at that price point.

As for the PS4, its anyone's guess if they would drop the price this year. But when they do I expect it to be a drop to $300. I am beginning to suspect that what we will get this year are just bundles at $400 though like we did last year. So I expect we will see an uncharted bundle at $400 this holiday season. They are already doing this with the current TLoU bundle. But if Sony really wants to go for the jugular, then they will also drop to $300 this year. Just don't see it happening unless sales during the year starts tracking behind last year sales. Technically, that's the only business marker that your product needs a price drop. They wouldn't just drop the price to outsell ms more than they already are. 

PS4 is in greater shape for a price drop since it already had cost saving revisions and GDDR5 has had significant drops (especially after the shortage has been taken care of) in prices since launch. Meanwhile Esram prices will remain stagnant and DDR3 prices continue to rise.  DDR3 prices are rising so much that we have had rumors of future Xbox Ones using DDR4 (which will cost a lot more than the initial Xbox One units and you wouldn't get any performance gains as they would make sure they have the same performance as the current DDR3 for compatiblity reasons). I would say the PS4 is in much better position for a price cut.



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Intrinsic on 14 January 2015
thismeintiel said:

Highly doubt we're going to see a slim model this early in the gen.  Earliest would be next year.

And even at that it will come from ms not Sony. XB1 first slim will basically make it as small as a PS4. so I expect the PS4 slim to come out at least a year after the XB1 slim. You're right tho, soonest we see any slim will be at best next year. 



Intrinsic on 14 January 2015
Protendo said:

PS4 is in greater shape for a price drop since it already had cost saving revisions and GDDR5 has had significant drops (especially after the shortage has been taken care of) in prices since launch. Meanwhile Esram prices will remain stagnant and DDR3 prices continue to rise.  DDR3 prices are rising so much that we have had rumors of future Xbox Ones using DDR4 (which will cost a lot more than the initial Xbox One units and you wouldn't get any performance gains as they would make sure they have the same performance as the current DDR3 for compatiblity reasons). I would say the PS4 is in much better position for a price cut.

Yes obviously Sony is in a better price cutting situation. Not just that the PS4 costs less to make than an XB1, but also because of how well its been selling. They have made significantly more from hardware and software sales so they can justify a price cut. Thing is that they don't need to cut the price until they can see a decline in sales. Ms on the other hand doesn't have a choice. They have to cut their price, Or not they stand to enter "also ran" status.