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Forums - Sales - Global Hardware Up 13 December 2014

Ninsect said:
kowenicki said:

No idea, but you seem confident... so why dont you break it down per region for me. should be interesting.  If 120m is easy then presumably you think 130m plus. break it down, I'm genuinely interested and prepared to be educated/corrected.

On your previous post. Yes, the xbox one was overtracked in November in the US but not by nearly as much as the PS4, but you don't correct anyone saying undertracked for that do you.  (ONE was 16% or 199k, PS4 was 26% or 216k).  PS4 was hugely overtracked.

Eh, breaking it down per region requires a lot more than predicting lifetime sales but just for some rough numbers:

NA - 40m
Europe - 45-50m
Japan - barely 10m
ROW - 20-25m+

As for the second part of your post: I didn't read any posts saying PS4 was being undertracked in the US. Did you?

 

Edit: "But seeing as you are in a mood to provide numbers can you break down the lifetime totals per region (pezus doesnt want to)"

Wow, do you think I'm monitoring this thread constantly? Give me a few minutes will ya.


Barely the half!Same numbers with ps3,really?This is Japan,ps4 passing psvita's lt sales?:O

You're still waiting miracles from japanese games?

Then you mock 20m predictions for wii u...



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kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:
kowenicki said:
N

e the average and say 130m for PS4, 15m for WiiU. Then I'd guess around 70m for XB1 if MS keep working it, possibly more. Would put this generation at 215m+.

70m.  I'd take that.  Not bad for a console thats "dead" in most of the world and a steady performance for the xbox brand.  Did we have a thread for lifetime predictions?  from late last year or just after the gen started?

You accept 70m predictions for xb1 but you dissaprove 20m+ predictions for wii u..!

Explain why...

Also,break it down per region!

NA:

EU:

JA:

ROW:



tak13 said:
kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:
kowenicki said:
N

e the average and say 130m for PS4, 15m for WiiU. Then I'd guess around 70m for XB1 if MS keep working it, possibly more. Would put this generation at 215m+.

70m.  I'd take that.  Not bad for a console thats "dead" in most of the world and a steady performance for the xbox brand.  Did we have a thread for lifetime predictions?  from late last year or just after the gen started?

You accept 70m predictions for xb1 but you dissaprove 20m+ predictions for wii u..!

Explain why...

Also,break it down per region!

NA:

EU:

JA:

ROW:

What is wrong with that? Wii U is tracking about 2/3 of GC and about 1/2 of N64 in the same time frame. At this rate, it will only sell about 15 million.

Xbox One is at 10 million in the first year, just had a record breaking post launch November and is tracking above 360 in the same time frame. I don't think it will reach 70 million but there is actual data to support such a prediction.



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Ninsect said:

Thing is, XB1 doesn't need to "BEAST" PS4 anywhere to reach 70m. If it can reach 40m in NA, which I see as a possibility as long as MS keep being competitive, it would only need 30m from the rest of the world. Almost 10m of that will most likely come from the UK, leaving 20m from the rest of Europe and rest of the world.

PS4 would still be dozens upon dozens of millions ahead of XB1 globally.


You can't have your cake and eat it too!40m for xbone in NA,automatically would mean deprivation of many sales from ps4 there!



tak13 said:
Ninsect said:

Thing is, XB1 doesn't need to "BEAST" PS4 anywhere to reach 70m. If it can reach 40m in NA, which I see as a possibility as long as MS keep being competitive, it would only need 30m from the rest of the world. Almost 10m of that will most likely come from the UK, leaving 20m from the rest of Europe and rest of the world.

PS4 would still be dozens upon dozens of millions ahead of XB1 globally.


You can't have your cake and eat it too!40m for xbone in NA,automatically would mean deprivation of many sales from ps4 there!

How so? According to this site, PS2+XB+GC=80 million & Wii+360+PS3=120 million in North America.

Xbox One-40 million

Playstation 4-50 million

Wii U-10 million

Total-100 million

That is a completely feasible prediction for 8th gen lifetime sales in North America.



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zorg1000 said:
tak1

You accept 70m predictions for xb1 but you dissaprove 20m+ predictions for wii u..!

Explain why...

Also,break it down per region!

NA:

EU:

JA:

ROW:

What is wrong with that? Wii U is tracking about 2/3 of GC and about 1/2 of N64 in the same time frame. At this rate, it will only sell about 15 million.

Xbox One is at 10 million in the first year, just had a record breaking post launch November and is tracking above 360 in the same time frame. I don't think it will reach 70 million but there is actual data to support such a prediction.


Because for me the comparison with predecessors doesn't mean anything!Even,if wii u was tracking above gc,I would scath these comparisons too!

Also,as I have said comparison with gc isn't fair and how it could be while gc had to consecutive big price cuts in its first two years and sold 13m because of them in just these two years,which is the 60% of its total sales and then tanked....

Distance from 9m to 20m is 11m,distance from 20-22m(xbone by the end of its second year) to 70m is 50-48m!And ps4 is a harder competitor than ps3 was for xbox360 in USA...And in Europe,France and especially Germany aren't helping,fortunately for it,it kicks some ass in UK!



tak13 said:
zorg1000 said:
tak1

You accept 70m predictions for xb1 but you dissaprove 20m+ predictions for wii u..!

Explain why...

Also,break it down per region!

NA:

EU:

JA:

ROW:

What is wrong with that? Wii U is tracking about 2/3 of GC and about 1/2 of N64 in the same time frame. At this rate, it will only sell about 15 million.

Xbox One is at 10 million in the first year, just had a record breaking post launch November and is tracking above 360 in the same time frame. I don't think it will reach 70 million but there is actual data to support such a prediction.


Because for me the comparison with predecessors doesn't mean anything!Even,if wii u was tracking above gc,I would scath these comparisons too!

Also,as I have said comparison with gc isn't fair and how it could be while gc had to consecutive big price cuts in its first two years and sold 13m because of them in just these two years,which is the 60% of its total sales and then tanked....

Distance from 9m to 20m is 11m,distance from 20-22m(xbone by the end of its second year) to 70m is 50-48m!And ps4 is a harder competitor than ps3 was for xbox360 in USA...And in Europe,France and especially Germany aren't helping,fortunately for it,it kicks some ass in UK!

Obviously predeccessors sales/trends aren't proof of future sales but using actual data to support a prediction is better than what ur doing, which is making predictions based on what u want to see.

Once again, using actual data, N64/GC/Wii all peaked by their 2nd full year, Wii U with having pretty much all of its big hitting franchises has likely seen it's peak year this year. We won't see Nintendo do any desperate price cuts like they did with GC because they have posted 3 consecutive yearly losses and are now prioritizing profits over marketshare for the remainder of the generation. A $250 price tag is likely next year and one more $50 price cut shortly before it gets discontinued. It's unlikely we will ever see an official Wii U price under $199.

Ur last paragraph honestly makes no sense. I know 50 million is bigger than 11 million. Xbox One will be around 12 million by the end of this year, its first full year. Wii U will be around 9 million by the end of this year and assuming sales for 2015 are similar to 2013/2014, it will only be around 12 million by the end of its 3rd full year. That means Xbox One will have sold more in 1 year than Wii U in 3 years. This is also not taking into account that Xbox One still has a ton of life left in it, 2015 will likely be better than this year, a $299 Halo 5 bundle for the holidays will sell great and big 3rd party releases will continue to push hardware.



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OfficerRaichu15 said:
tbone51 said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Reggie's interview makes wii u undertracked in the US


??? Interview?

look on nintendodomination

huge discussion about it there

but anyway

up to week ending december 20

wii u sales have been up 40% in US or possibly WW yoy

so this might be leading to a 600k(or more) npd for wii u due to this

and US is undertracked for the month by over 400k

clyde's post explains everything here pretty much

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6953371

this could also mean december sales so far compared to december 2013

and if it is ytd for the 40% growth then 600k or more is a given

EDIT:

so summary

ytd 40% growth guranteed 600k + for december npd(which would be fantastic since it go no pricecut)

ww ytd 40% growth would mean 1.2 million undertracking of wii u in row and eu

Can I get a link to said article this is talking about?



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

Welfare said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:

look on nintendodomination

huge discussion about it there

but anyway

up to week ending december 20

wii u sales have been up 40% in US or possibly WW yoy

so this might be leading to a 600k(or more) npd for wii u due to this

and US is undertracked for the month by over 400k

clyde's post explains everything here pretty much

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6953371

this could also mean december sales so far compared to december 2013

and if it is ytd for the 40% growth then 600k or more is a given

EDIT:

so summary

ytd 40% growth guranteed 600k + for december npd(which would be fantastic since it go no pricecut)

ww ytd 40% growth would mean 1.2 million undertracking of wii u in row and eu

Can I get a link to said article this is talking about?

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2025273406_briercolumn22xml.html

Wouldn't be surprised if he was talking shipments and/or US only, wouldn't be the first time.

If the Wii U has actually been undertracked by over a million in the last 3 months, with accurate japanese numbers and accurate US numbers until November, then... well then vgchartz is just useless in the holidays...



Ninsect said:
binary solo said:
Ninsect said:

Thing is, XB1 doesn't need to "BEAST" PS4 anywhere to reach 70m. If it can reach 40m in NA, which I see as a possibility as long as MS keep being competitive, it would only need 30m from the rest of the world. Almost 10m of that will most likely come from the UK, leaving 20m from the rest of Europe and rest of the world.

PS4 would still be dozens upon dozens of millions ahead of XB1 globally.

You're dreaming man. No way xb one hits 40M in USA. 360 is only on 44M and according to everyone other than vgc this is overtracking. Ps4 and Xb one are splitting the market which means roughly 30m each. And as for UK 360 is over 1M off reaching 10M which means 10M there is a pipe dream. The way the market is splitting there xb on will fall well short of 360. 

Which market are PS4XB1 splitting? They are way ahead of PS360 last generation. Obviously there is some spillover from Wii.

As for the UK, even if I'm slightly overestimating it there it will hardly matter much for the final total. Near 70m is still my guess.

The size of the xb/PS market is fairly static, Actuall it shrunk from gen 6 to 7 with all the casuals going to Wii, and then exiting consoles to go mobile/Facebook casual. Ps2 took the vast majority of the market the ps3/360 split it evenly, though with significant imbalances in individual markets. The gen ps4 will once again dominate, but not quite to the same extent. There will be no market growth for PS/xb this gen. The last gen where there was genuine growth of gamers was Ps2 gen. Gen 7 was a one time thing giving a false impression of a major expansion of the number of gamers in the world.

So xb one and PS4 will be fighting over about 160 million users. Best case for Xb one is 60 million to PS4's 100 million. 

People should not get confused between fast sales and sustained sales. Ps4 won't burn quite as hot and short as Wii, but it will be more like a Wii pattern than the more gradual and longer lived PS360 sales patterns. And xb one is following a similar track. it will burn out very fast in all but the English speaking markets, if MS doesn't do something different.



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