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Samus Aran on 17 December 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Samus Aran said:
mZuzek said:

I was going to reply to this, but no... just.. no.

I give up on you, Samus. I give up.

Because nobody buys Nintendo games because of the Club Nintendo program right?

You see right there, that's the reason why Club Nintendo is useless and fails in every way. You think PS owners are pissed off at PS Plus? Not any of my friends, I can tell you that. 

You're an extremely entitled customer that thinks you know better.  You don't, you know that right?  

You keep treating Club Nintendo as a subscription-based service when it's a rewards program.  You make the dumb point that you "need to buy games" to get points on Club Nintendo.  Of course you do, it's a rewards program.  There's no extra cost on the game you bought in order to get those points, it's just something extra for those who contribute to Club Nintendo's surveying system to help improve and give something extra to those who keep buying their games. They are NOT obligated to give you ANYTHING. Sony does NOT give you anything for buying their games, and your comparison does NOT match given you PAY Sony for PS Plus. It would be different if they offered PS Plus to people who simply bought games on their system.

Like others have said, can Club Nintendo be better? Sure, but that's not what you're saying. You're calling it useless and acting like it is something you are entitled to get more over. You're not entitled to anything more than just the game itself, you are lucky you get anything more than that. Whether you actually get to use it or not is obviously something different (and there are others who DO get to use them). 

Also, you talk about Nintendo having to make something for loyal fans, but I think you fail to realize that Sony and Microsoft both are not doing anything in that regard. So it really does not make sense what you're saying.

Looking at the list of games Sony offered on PS Plus I disagree with everything you said. 



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Frogger on 17 December 2014
Samus Aran said:

Sony gave out €1000 worth of "free" games this year. Club Nintendo gives away Mario pencils after you bought €1000 worth of Nintendo products (hyperbole). 


That doesn't change anything. Those games aren't "free." Sony hasn't given out anything. That's like saying that Netflix gives out over €1000 worth of "free" movies every year.

You are paying a fixed yearly rate for the right to access €1000 worth of games and use various online services with PS Plus. Club Nintendo is paying you in points toward their very limited store to fill out surveys and prove that you own the games you're being surveyed on. They are totally incomparable.



Samus Aran on 17 December 2014
spemanig said:
Samus Aran said:

Sony gave out €1000 worth of "free" games this year. Club Nintendo gives away Mario pencils after you bought €1000 worth of Nintendo products (hyperbole). 


That doesn't change anything. Those games aren't "free." Sony hasn't given out anything. That's like saying that Netflix gives out over €1000 worth of "free" movies every year.

You are paying a fixed yearly rate for the right to access €1000 worth of games and use various online services with PS Plus. Club Nintendo is paying you in points toward their very limited store to fill out surveys and prove that you own the games you're being surveyed on. They are totally incomparable.

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that Nintendo should get rid of Club Nintendo and create a good program. 

Paying €50 for €1000 worth of games IS free stuff in my book. You can't possibly dislike all the games on PS Plus, otherwise you're not really a gamer I think.



MDMAlliance on 17 December 2014
Samus Aran said:
MDMAlliance said:

You're an extremely entitled customer that thinks you know better.  You don't, you know that right?  

You keep treating Club Nintendo as a subscription-based service when it's a rewards program.  You make the dumb point that you "need to buy games" to get points on Club Nintendo.  Of course you do, it's a rewards program.  There's no extra cost on the game you bought in order to get those points, it's just something extra for those who contribute to Club Nintendo's surveying system to help improve and give something extra to those who keep buying their games. They are NOT obligated to give you ANYTHING. Sony does NOT give you anything for buying their games, and your comparison does NOT match given you PAY Sony for PS Plus. It would be different if they offered PS Plus to people who simply bought games on their system.

Like others have said, can Club Nintendo be better? Sure, but that's not what you're saying. You're calling it useless and acting like it is something you are entitled to get more over. You're not entitled to anything more than just the game itself, you are lucky you get anything more than that. Whether you actually get to use it or not is obviously something different (and there are others who DO get to use them). 

Also, you talk about Nintendo having to make something for loyal fans, but I think you fail to realize that Sony and Microsoft both are not doing anything in that regard. So it really does not make sense what you're saying.

Looking at the list of games Sony offered on PS Plus I disagree with everything you said. 


You clearly didn't even read what I said, given that saying that makes no sense. In what way does Sony's PS Plus game offerings refute ANYTHING of what I said? 



MDMAlliance on 17 December 2014
Samus Aran said:
spemanig said:
Samus Aran said:

Sony gave out €1000 worth of "free" games this year. Club Nintendo gives away Mario pencils after you bought €1000 worth of Nintendo products (hyperbole). 


That doesn't change anything. Those games aren't "free." Sony hasn't given out anything. That's like saying that Netflix gives out over €1000 worth of "free" movies every year.

You are paying a fixed yearly rate for the right to access €1000 worth of games and use various online services with PS Plus. Club Nintendo is paying you in points toward their very limited store to fill out surveys and prove that you own the games you're being surveyed on. They are totally incomparable.

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that Nintendo should get rid of Club Nintendo and create a good program. 

Paying €50 for €1000 worth of games IS free stuff in my book. You can't possibly dislike all the games on PS Plus, otherwise you're not really a gamer I think.


It's not free because you're literally paying in order to access those games.  You get more for your money, sure, but that's because it's a service. It's completely different than Club Nintendo that is offered for games you bought anyway (and also for buying their system).

You have a completely backwards way of thinking about this. 



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Samus Aran on 17 December 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Samus Aran said:
MDMAlliance said:

You're an extremely entitled customer that thinks you know better.  You don't, you know that right?  

You keep treating Club Nintendo as a subscription-based service when it's a rewards program.  You make the dumb point that you "need to buy games" to get points on Club Nintendo.  Of course you do, it's a rewards program.  There's no extra cost on the game you bought in order to get those points, it's just something extra for those who contribute to Club Nintendo's surveying system to help improve and give something extra to those who keep buying their games. They are NOT obligated to give you ANYTHING. Sony does NOT give you anything for buying their games, and your comparison does NOT match given you PAY Sony for PS Plus. It would be different if they offered PS Plus to people who simply bought games on their system.

Like others have said, can Club Nintendo be better? Sure, but that's not what you're saying. You're calling it useless and acting like it is something you are entitled to get more over. You're not entitled to anything more than just the game itself, you are lucky you get anything more than that. Whether you actually get to use it or not is obviously something different (and there are others who DO get to use them). 

Also, you talk about Nintendo having to make something for loyal fans, but I think you fail to realize that Sony and Microsoft both are not doing anything in that regard. So it really does not make sense what you're saying.

Looking at the list of games Sony offered on PS Plus I disagree with everything you said. 


You clearly didn't even read what I said, given that saying that makes no sense. In what way does Sony's PS Plus game offerings refute ANYTHING of what I said? 

I sadly read your entire post and your petty insults.

I'm not treating Club Nintendo as a subscription based program. I'm treating it as something useless that's not working for Nintendo. Their marketing sucks, plain and simple. 



Samus Aran on 17 December 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Samus Aran said:
spemanig said:
Samus Aran said:

Sony gave out €1000 worth of "free" games this year. Club Nintendo gives away Mario pencils after you bought €1000 worth of Nintendo products (hyperbole). 


That doesn't change anything. Those games aren't "free." Sony hasn't given out anything. That's like saying that Netflix gives out over €1000 worth of "free" movies every year.

You are paying a fixed yearly rate for the right to access €1000 worth of games and use various online services with PS Plus. Club Nintendo is paying you in points toward their very limited store to fill out surveys and prove that you own the games you're being surveyed on. They are totally incomparable.

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that Nintendo should get rid of Club Nintendo and create a good program. 

Paying €50 for €1000 worth of games IS free stuff in my book. You can't possibly dislike all the games on PS Plus, otherwise you're not really a gamer I think.


It's not free because you're literally paying in order to access those games.  You get more for your money, sure, but that's because it's a service. It's completely different than Club Nintendo that is offered for games you bought anyway (and also for buying their system).

You have a completely backwards way of thinking about this. 

If I give my friend €50 and he gives me €100 in return then I have just gotten €50 for free. 

Simple logic. Of course I don't like every free game on PS Plus, but there are enough games on it that I would play (but not buy normally).



Frogger on 17 December 2014
Samus Aran said:

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that Nintendo should get rid of Club Nintendo and create a good program. 

Paying €50 for €1000 worth of games IS free stuff in my book. You can't possibly dislike all the games on PS Plus, otherwise you're not really a gamer I think.


Why would Nintendo ever give up Club Nintendo? The program is not made to benefit you. It's made only for them, and it works. You absolutely are comparing the two. Club Nintendo has entirely different goals than PS Plus, so they would never cancel it to instead make a subscription service. No one is suddenly going to pay $50 a year for the "right" to answer surveys for Nintendo, which is the only reason Club Nintendo exists, and they are not going to devalue their product by their selling games for half off "only if you subscribed to Nintendo Nation." They keep the prices of their games high for a reason.



Samus Aran on 17 December 2014
spemanig said:
Samus Aran said:

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that Nintendo should get rid of Club Nintendo and create a good program. 

Paying €50 for €1000 worth of games IS free stuff in my book. You can't possibly dislike all the games on PS Plus, otherwise you're not really a gamer I think.


Why would Nintendo ever give up Club Nintendo? The program is not made to benefit you. It's made only for them, and it works. You absolutely are comparing the two. Club Nintendo has entirely different goals than PS Plus, so they would never cancel it to instead make a subscription service. No one is suddenly going to pay $50 a year for the "right" to answer surveys for Nintendo, which is the only reason Club Nintendo exists, and they are not going to devalue their product by their selling games for half off "only if you subscribed to Nintendo Nation." They keep the prices of their games high for a reason.

Yeah, for them to not sell as well as they should.

Sure Mario still sells, that's about it (on Wii U)...

Their marketing is horrible, they're incredibly out of touch. How is Club Nintendo working for them? Have their sales suddenly increased because of a better understanding of the customer? Give me a break.



MDMAlliance on 17 December 2014
Samus Aran said:
MDMAlliance said:

It's not free because you're literally paying in order to access those games.  You get more for your money, sure, but that's because it's a service. It's completely different than Club Nintendo that is offered for games you bought anyway (and also for buying their system).

You have a completely backwards way of thinking about this. 

If I give my friend €50 and he gives me €100 in return then I have just gotten €50 for free. 

Simple logic. Of course I don't like every free game on PS Plus, but there are enough games on it that I would play (but not buy normally).


In response to your first reply to me, if you want to interpret what I said as "petty insults" then feel free to. However, the only thing I said that would be an insult is that you're an extremely entitled customer.  Everything else was a jab at the argument you were making rather than you yourself (therefore not an insult).  And the reason why I question why you even read it is because your reply makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't address anything I said in a direct manner. Your argument is "You're wrong because I said so" essentially.

To this response, that is not at all the same thing. It's just like saying "I bought this $40 game for $20 due to a sale, I got $20 for free." You see how that does NOT apply, right? 

Just because something has a "worth" of a certain amount, doesn't mean you actually RECEIVED anything more than what you LITERALLY put into it (as it is in your example of giving 50 Euro and receiving 100 Euro back).

There's no "entry fee" for Club Nintendo, because the only "fee" is that you are registering games you got. You don't buy games FOR Club Nintendo.