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Auron on 05 March 2008
jimmay said:
Auron said:
@rol, you are arguing with yet another delusional troll on VGchartz who is trying to bring down the Wii. It is a lost cause, these ppl are too fanboyish to understand much of anything.

Wow, talk about delusional, im making valid points and backing them up with facts and i'm a troll? The fact is so far the wii is the top seller of hardware and currently has 20 million sellers, well done wii. You can spin and twist things as much as you want but whilst the wii is going well in sales you cannot deny the fact that the wii has the lowest quality of games compared to it's current gen competition as well as compared to last gen.


 You are not making any valid points.  You are like a starcraft clone.  You write BS bashing the Wii for have low quality games.  These aren't valid points.  Just because you might not like the games makes no difference since your opinion isn't really worth much.  Now i personally hate SMG but i can look beyond bias and see that it is a well made game that just does not meet my tastes.  You seem to not posses the ability to look past your own bias.  



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HappySqurriel on 05 March 2008
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:

No you've got it wrong, most consoles launch with a poor line up. The ps2 won because by it's second christmas it got grand theft auto 3, gran turismo 3, final fantasy 10, metal gear 2, devil may cry, ratchet and clank etc. These games dont come from no where they take years to make and people knew they were coming so brought the ps2 in advance. On top of that the ps2 was a dvd player and it could play ps1 games. People just dont randomly buy a console then games are made for it, people buy the consoles with the top games they want to play that are either released now or are about to come out.


You mean, after the PS2 had been on the market for 18 months (in Japan, 12 months in North America) it started to get good games while the Dreamcast had a steady supply of really good games from the time it launched until it was discontinued, and the PS2 won because of the quality of its games?

The PS2 sold 13,170,835 consoles in its first 12 months (cumulative across all regions, http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2®1=Japan&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS2®3=Total+Other&weeks=52 ) with very bad supply problems in all regions early on, and (by your own admitance) no good games in its first year ... yet you claim it was the 'Games' that made the PS2 sell?

 


Sigh...i'll say it again, people don't just buy a console for the games that are out now, they also buy them for the games that are about to come out. Typically the first people to buy a console are the hardcore and hardcore gamers know more about what games are coming out than any other. Plus i also explained that the ps2 sold because it was a dvd player and could play ps1 games. After 18 months the ps2 had better games than the dreamcast, so what's your point? Also if you want to compare quality of games after 18 months the ps2 had 47 games rated 80% or higher and in nearly the same amount of time the wii has had 14 games rated 80% or higher......see the difference.

 

If that is what you truely believe, then will you accept that people who bought a Wii in aniticipation of the great games that will eventually be released are buying games you seem to dislike because they're currently available?

Being that you argued that the Wii was promoting the sales of "Bad" games until I questioned your method for determining what a "Bad" game was, at which point you argued that reviewers were unbiased and their low review scores for particular genres were reflective of reviews in general (and music in particular) until I demonstrated that they weren't, at which point you went on a tangent claiming that the system with the best games has always sold the best until I demonstrated that it didn't, I some how doubt that you're unbiased enough to even accept the possibility of any other conclusion except for "The Wii is destroying the industry" ...



jimmay on 06 March 2008
Chrizum said:
jimmay said:
Xyrax said:
Wow some people are reaaaaalllly upset that the Wii is seeing such software success.

Trying to drag review scores in to discredit the millions upon millions of games sold eh? Thats just sad guys.


Sad.

See it's posts like yours that ruin threads, it's just flaime bait. I'm not upset, i can see plenty of people getting upset because they don't like the facts i've presented tho. How about people just congratulate the wii reaching 20 million, million sellers and at the same time learn to not be so over deffensive because the quality of the 20 million sellers is generally low.



You're wrong. End of thread.

Please stop being a fanboy and go away. I have provided facts to back me up that prove that you are wrong.



jimmay on 06 March 2008
Auron said:
jimmay said:
Auron said:
@rol, you are arguing with yet another delusional troll on VGchartz who is trying to bring down the Wii. It is a lost cause, these ppl are too fanboyish to understand much of anything.

Wow, talk about delusional, im making valid points and backing them up with facts and i'm a troll? The fact is so far the wii is the top seller of hardware and currently has 20 million sellers, well done wii. You can spin and twist things as much as you want but whilst the wii is going well in sales you cannot deny the fact that the wii has the lowest quality of games compared to it's current gen competition as well as compared to last gen.


You are not making any valid points. You are like a starcraft clone. You write BS bashing the Wii for have low quality games. These aren't valid points. Just because you might not like the games makes no difference since your opinion isn't really worth much. Now i personally hate SMG but i can look beyond bias and see that it is a well made game that just does not meet my tastes. You seem to not posses the ability to look past your own bias.


Yes i have made vaild points. Professional reviewers have viewed all the games and they show that the quality of wii games are lower then that of the xbox360 and ps3, that is a fact. If you don't agree with that then your entitled to your opinion but your in the minority. I have no bias, i own all 3 consoles and enjoy games from each of them, if people want to live in denial of how few aaa/aa games the wii has and how a larger proportion of wii's million selling games have low reviews compared to the rest then fine bury your head in the sand but don't argue with me telling me im wrong when im not.



Stillwell on 06 March 2008

Ok, Jimmay has got to be one of the biggest tards I've seen here. Calls everyone a fanboy, refuses to listen to any arguements but his own and constantly act hypocritical. Piss off and don't come back?



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jimmay on 06 March 2008
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:

No you've got it wrong, most consoles launch with a poor line up. The ps2 won because by it's second christmas it got grand theft auto 3, gran turismo 3, final fantasy 10, metal gear 2, devil may cry, ratchet and clank etc. These games dont come from no where they take years to make and people knew they were coming so brought the ps2 in advance. On top of that the ps2 was a dvd player and it could play ps1 games. People just dont randomly buy a console then games are made for it, people buy the consoles with the top games they want to play that are either released now or are about to come out.


You mean, after the PS2 had been on the market for 18 months (in Japan, 12 months in North America) it started to get good games while the Dreamcast had a steady supply of really good games from the time it launched until it was discontinued, and the PS2 won because of the quality of its games?

The PS2 sold 13,170,835 consoles in its first 12 months (cumulative across all regions, http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2®1=Japan&cons2=PS2®2=America&cons3=PS2®3=Total+Other&weeks=52 ) with very bad supply problems in all regions early on, and (by your own admitance) no good games in its first year ... yet you claim it was the 'Games' that made the PS2 sell?

 


Sigh...i'll say it again, people don't just buy a console for the games that are out now, they also buy them for the games that are about to come out. Typically the first people to buy a console are the hardcore and hardcore gamers know more about what games are coming out than any other. Plus i also explained that the ps2 sold because it was a dvd player and could play ps1 games. After 18 months the ps2 had better games than the dreamcast, so what's your point? Also if you want to compare quality of games after 18 months the ps2 had 47 games rated 80% or higher and in nearly the same amount of time the wii has had 14 games rated 80% or higher......see the difference.

 

If that is what you truely believe, then will you accept that people who bought a Wii in aniticipation of the great games that will eventually be released are buying games you seem to dislike because they're currently available?

Being that you argued that the Wii was promoting the sales of "Bad" games until I questioned your method for determining what a "Bad" game was, at which point you argued that reviewers were unbiased and their low review scores for particular genres were reflective of reviews in general (and music in particular) until I demonstrated that they weren't, at which point you went on a tangent claiming that the system with the best games has always sold the best until I demonstrated that it didn't, I some how doubt that you're unbiased enough to even accept the possibility of any other conclusion except for "The Wii is destroying the industry" ...


Wow talk about completly getting it wrong. Games are generally annouced anything from a year to a couple of years in advance, theirs not a huge amount of top rated wii exclusive games about to come out, most of the top games are coming to the xbox360 and ps3, it doesn't get any better for the wii this year. Ps2 owners for the first year didnt have many great games to choose from but they still had more than the wii did and they generally didnt go out and buy bad games, they brought the good ones and waited till the following christmas for one of the best line ups of all time.

I never said wii was promoting the sales of bad games, where did you pull that one from? A new casual crowd who don't know what good games are, are buying the bad games, what's so hard to understand about that? The average opinion of professional reviewers is the best thing to show how good or bad a game is, people have accepted this for decades, but now suddenly because a bunch of people who don't know what good games are have showed up we should ignore all reviews because what ever sells the most is the best??That's laughable. The system with the best games has always won the generation, if wii wins this generation then it will be the first console to break this trend.



jimmay on 06 March 2008
Stillwell said:
Ok, Jimmay has got to be one of the biggest tards I've seen here. Calls everyone a fanboy, refuses to listen to any arguements but his own and constantly act hypocritical. Piss off and don't come back?


The problem is nobody has proved me wrong, i provide facts to back up my opinions, just because somebody says im wrong doesnt mean i am, if you can't prove me wrong but keep saying im wrong then that makes you a fanboy who can't take the truth.

It's really really simple folks, theirs a reason why lots of wii games get bad scores, because they are bad games, instead of people accepting these are bad games we've got people now claiming that even tho the reviews system which has been accepted by the gaming world for decades is now some how flawed.....what a joke, yeah keep telling yourself that now magically the review system is the problem not the low quality of games.

I'm sorry but the truth is what casual gamers look for are short, shallow games with minimal skill and they don't care about most of the key components that make a good game.



Stillwell on 06 March 2008

No, what you do is say everyone is wrong and then ignore every other arguement but you own.



Kasz216 on 06 March 2008
jimmay said:
RolStoppable said:
jimmay said:
RolStoppable said:
jimmay said:
RolStoppable said:

@jimmay

You seem to be really bitter that casual gamers don't have a clue what a good game is. Just out of interest, what's your opinion on this?


I'm bitter because im stating facts? A bad game is a bad game, if casuals seem to like them then good for them they are having fun. I've already seen the ps2 list of million selling games and if you want the breakdown that shows the quality of the games on the list here you go:

Out of the 205 million selling ps2 games listed on vgchartz 132 have an average review score of 80% or more. That's 64% of ps2 million sellers are rated 80% or above compared to only 40% of wii games rated at 80% or above.


64 % for the PS2 is way lower than the 85 % for the 360. Which percentage do you consider to be acceptable for a million sellers list? In other words, when is it good enough to stop complaining?

When the majority of million selling games are top rated. So that's atleast 50%, ideally 60%.


Why would 60 % be ideally? The ideal would be if all million selling games were top rated, don't you think?

Why? because 50% obviously is just half, when people see 52, 55 or 58% they think to themselves well that's almost half so 60% is a nice round number that unquestionably represents the majority.


You kinda shot yourself in the foot their, saying that most systems start off with a bad lineup. 

Would make you think that until close to the end, PS2's number was well below 62% if you were right on this.

Which means, that the PS2 sucked until it was the most popular and a few years in.

Which would mean it would be too early to apply your standards. 



Auron on 06 March 2008
jimmay said:
Auron said:
jimmay said:
Auron said:
@rol, you are arguing with yet another delusional troll on VGchartz who is trying to bring down the Wii. It is a lost cause, these ppl are too fanboyish to understand much of anything.

Wow, talk about delusional, im making valid points and backing them up with facts and i'm a troll? The fact is so far the wii is the top seller of hardware and currently has 20 million sellers, well done wii. You can spin and twist things as much as you want but whilst the wii is going well in sales you cannot deny the fact that the wii has the lowest quality of games compared to it's current gen competition as well as compared to last gen.


You are not making any valid points. You are like a starcraft clone. You write BS bashing the Wii for have low quality games. These aren't valid points. Just because you might not like the games makes no difference since your opinion isn't really worth much. Now i personally hate SMG but i can look beyond bias and see that it is a well made game that just does not meet my tastes. You seem to not posses the ability to look past your own bias.


Yes i have made vaild points. Professional reviewers have viewed all the games and they show that the quality of wii games are lower then that of the xbox360 and ps3, that is a fact. If you don't agree with that then your entitled to your opinion but your in the minority. I have no bias, i own all 3 consoles and enjoy games from each of them, if people want to live in denial of how few aaa/aa games the wii has and how a larger proportion of wii's million selling games have low reviews compared to the rest then fine bury your head in the sand but don't argue with me telling me im wrong when im not.


 Niceof you tofinally admit that you have no opinion of your own.  Professional reviewers said something so jimmay here takes it as indisputable proof that a game is bad.  Because we all know that these professional reviewers are smarter than everybody else and their opinion trumps even our own.  So if i like a game and say it is good well my opinion is less important then some guy (who it has been proven that reviewers are pressured to write favorable reviews if they are paid to) on some website.  Ok jimmay since you have no opnion of your own i now instead of thinking you are ignorant and delusional i feel bad for you that you are so weak minded that you base your own opinions on the opinions of others.