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Mnementh said:

Does it look so much better for PS4? remakes of TLOU and GTAV. Theyearly releases the WiiU also got. I give you, that Battlefield and GTA missed WiiU. Still most of usual big selling multiplats were available. It does sell PS4, but it didn't sell WiiU.


Here are the PS4 million sellers:

1.

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare

Not on Wii U.

2014 Shooter Activision 1.75 1.52 0.07 0.92 4.26
2.

FIFA 15

Not on Wii U.

2014 Sports Electronic Arts 0.31 2.46 0.03 1.34 4.14
3.

Destiny

Not on Wii U.

2014 Action Activision 1.58 1.26 0.12 0.77 3.73
4.

Watch Dogs

Wii U got a late port.

2014 Action Ubisoft 1.13 1.34 0.10 0.78 3.35
5.

Call of Duty: Ghosts

Was on Wii U.

2013 Shooter Activision 1.44 1.08 0.04 0.24 2.81
6.

FIFA Soccer 14

Was on Wii U.

2013 Sports Electronic Arts 0.52 1.72 0.09 0.29 2.62
7.

Grand Theft Auto V

Not on Wii U.

2014 Action Take-Two Interactive 0.80 0.99 0.00 0.58 2.36
8.

Battlefield 4

Not on Wii U.

2013 Shooter Electronic Arts 1.01 0.96 0.12 0.20 2.29
9.

Killzone: Shadow Fall

Exclusive, don't count.

2013 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.74 1.02 0.07 0.20 2.02
10.

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag

Was on Wii U

2013 Action Ubisoft 0.82 0.91 0.05 0.18 1.96
11.

inFAMOUS: Second Son

Exclusive, don't count.

2014 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.84 0.63 0.06 0.39 1.92
12.

The Last of Us

Exclusive, don't count.

2014 Adventure Sony Computer Entertainment 0.57 0.77 0.06 0.45 1.85
13.

Assassin's Creed: Unity

Not on Wii U.

2014 Action Ubisoft 0.51 0.63 0.04 0.37 1.55
14.

Knack

Exclusive, don't count.

2013 Action Sony Computer Entertainment Europe 0.33 0.41 0.42 0.08 1.23
15.

Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor

Not on Wii U.

2014 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.39 0.49 0.00 0.29 1.18
16.

Need for Speed Rivals

Not on Wii U.

2013 Racing Electronic Arts 0.51 0.52 0.03 0.11 1.15
17.

NBA 2K14

Not on Wii U.

2013 Sports Take-Two Interactive 0.76 0.22 0.01 0.08 1.06
18.

Madden NFL 15

Not on Wii U.

2014 Sports Electronic Arts 0.89 0.07 0.00 0.09 1.05
19.

Far Cry 4

Not on Wii U.

2014 Shooter Ubisoft 0.24 0.50 0.00 0.28 1.02

 

If you wanted 3rd party games, which console would you buy? Wii U needed ALL games. Not some. I don't want to buy a console and pray to receive a game, I want it to be sure. People are buying PS4s and X1 with few games because they are 100% sure they will got all of them. Nobody wants "most multiplats" (and most is a big stretch), they want all.

If it isn't 3rd party support, explain me what Nintendo does wrong. Price? They are always cheaper. Power? GC was more powerful. Launching later? Wii U was first. I say that are 3rd party games. They should support their current disaster until the end and then make a big reunion with 3rd parties and ask what they want. Project the console they want, with the specs they like, just like PS4 and X1 did. Then, they are back.



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JayWood2010 said:
mZuzek said:
JayWood2010 said:

 


What i was saying is that all those games appeal to the same pool of people.  Mario fans are zelda fans and zelda fans are onkey kong fans etc.    But if you dont agree thats fine.


That's a pretty ridiculous assumption that all Nintendo games appeal to the same people. Nintendo has franchises that span many genres. Games like Metroid, Pikmin, Zelda, Xenoblade, Mario, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, none of these have similar gameplay so it doesn't make sense to say they all appeal to the same crowd.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

JayWood2010 said:
mZuzek said:
JayWood2010 said:

 


What i was saying is that all those games appeal to the same pool of people.  Mario fans are zelda fans and zelda fans are onkey kong fans etc.    But if you dont agree thats fine.

Except that they don't, which is why games like Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, Wii Series, etc. all have varying sales patterns. Nintendo has a ton of variety in its IPs, and not every series appeals to the people that buy Nintendo consoles.



RavenXtra said:

Except that they don't. Which is why games like Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, Wii Series, etc. all have varying sales patterns. Nintendo has a ton of variety in its IPs, and not every series appeals to the people that buy Nintendo consoles.


Obviosly some is more popular than the other.  But yeah in general i do believe that its a huge portion of the fanbase.  

And id argue they dont have a wide variaty outside the family friendly market.




       

I wouldn't say they have a more diverse library than Nintendo. They just have a more opposite library. You will never have the kind of experiences you get on Nintendo anywhere else, and that's not from a quality POV, that's from a genre POV. They don't have an abundance of AAA 2D platformers or AAA 3D platformers. They don't make AAA party games. They don't give anyone a reason to own more than two controllers, and that's mostly just for fighting games. They don't make AAA rail shooters like Star Fox or AAA racers in the same vein as F-Zero. They don't make exploration games in the same vein as Metroid.

You can't boil Nintendo games down to just being E rated. That's not why those people buy those games. No one is making those types of games anymore to that quality but Nintendo.

That doesn't mean that I don't think they should expand to make games that the PSXB audience want's, because they should, but it's not because those guys are all encompassing and Nintendo isn't. Both offer a wide variety of different things, but PSXB offers the far more popular and lucrative genres at that AAA quality.



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JayWood2010 said:
RavenXtra said:

Except that they don't. Which is why games like Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, Wii Series, etc. all have varying sales patterns. Nintendo has a ton of variety in its IPs, and not every series appeals to the people that buy Nintendo consoles.


Obviosly some is more popular than the other.  But yeah in general i do believe that its a huge portion of the fanbase.  

And id argue they dont have a wide variaty outside the family friendly market.

Ur statement still doesn't make sense. Of course the ones that share a genre or characters probably share the same audience. Various Mario titles and games like Mario/Kirby/Donkey Kong probably attract many of the same crowd. But to say a game like Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime or Xenoblade has the same audience as Mario is just rediculous, yes there is probably an overlap to a certain degree, for example I enjoy all of those games listed above but that's quite a big generalization to say they all have the same fanbase.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Yes, Nintendo can. But I am not sure if they will do it. Maybe Nintendo will understand that they won't successful forever with 'Please understand's. I really hope their next product will be greater but I can only hope. I don't believe they will attract the PS/Xbox fans because of their image. But I think they can change the world of gaming once again and with their innovation they will have a great success again.



I don't hate Microsoft, I don't hate PC,
I don't prefer Sony, I don't prefer Nintendo.
...Ok, I love Nintendo but this is something about tolerance, ok?

I'm a gamer with one of the greatest hobbies and I want to share this greatness with everyone.

They can, Nintendo have more and popular IPs than PlayStation and Microsoft, they just need to get third party to next console.
PlayStation and Microsoft consoles would be perform worst than Wii U without third party.



Until they make a console which is similar in power to the other consoles, only then will third party's support the console. Third party support is crucial.
Another option would be to make a console with a gimmick that attracts the casuals. Then they wouldn't even need third party games.



    

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padib said:
Hey Jay.


Hey man!

I did mention 3DS actually and 3DS has a few thing their home consoles dont including Pokemom, third party support, and more eastern support