I wasn't implying you were, but it's a common theme among many members of the Xbox community here (and the reverse for the PS community).

I do think indies should also be counted, they're still games after all, but a distinction should be made simply for the sake of clarity. For example putting 193 ([x] AAA, [x] indies) vs. 131 ([x] AAA, [x] indies). Indies on their own can leave a library feeling lacking, but as a supplement they're great. 

It would make no sense to exclude them completely in an objective comparison. Titles like Resogun, Velocity 2X and Transistor are why i (currently) think the PS4's library is quite a bit more appealing than the X1's, despite also thinking they're functionally identical AAA wise. Indies have value, even if they aren't directly comparable to standard retail games.

You simply can't stop. You seem to think that Indie means 'rubbish, cheap, easy to make'. It doesn't. Indie is NOT a word that describes quality, depth or complexity, it's just short for Independent studio. I know you need to cling on to that notion because then you can reduce this list, but you really need to drop it and just accept reality.

Of course it goes both ways with some. For example, in that thread from July of 2013 or something someone just linked, you posted in there that PC/360 games are irrelevant because most people have PC's. Does that also make a majority of these PS4 games irrelevant in list warz? Apparently so, unless you've changed your mind. The double standard is only relevant because it seems a majority of users here are Sony fans (or, at worst, they vastly outnumber Xbox guys) so it doesn't really matter what Xbox guys say, their posts are outnumbered. So last gen the general consensus here was indie games and "console exclusives" were irrelevant. Now this gen the general consensus has changed, because there are more Sony users here than MS, and now Sony has a lot of those games that were irrelevant in the past.

For the most part I think those of us praising indies last gen on Xbox are still fans of indies. You're way off base there. But our input does not speak for the forum, we are a minority.

I know the feeling.  You make it, raise it as best you can, and then a few bad guys have sex with it.  Next thing you know, your thread is whoring itself out for cigarettes behind a Waffle House in Millen, Ga.

Just remember what your thread once was and not the abomination it became.

Nope, those are a different sub-group and should be seperated in a group of games, they are not in the same caliber as the other. Like my 2014 Chevy Impala, it's great, I love it, however it's not the same as a Corvette.

You sir, are a genius. :)