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Soundwave on 29 November 2014

Nintendo is a great company, but people simply don't need Nintendo, neither do publishers anymore. Sony and MS basically fulfill all the needs of the wider market today.

If the NES and Super NES gave away all their third party support to the Sega Master System and Sega Genesis/Turbo Grafx 16 (talking about things like Megaman, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Ninja Turtles, Street Fighter II, Wizards & Warriors, etc.), they would have lost both of those generations too.

The Sega Master System *is* basically what Nintendo has turned themselves into -- great 1st party games, but not much in terms of third party support, that was all on the NES, and the NES destroyed Sega as a result. 

Wii was a one off thing that I (and many others) don't think they could repeat.

When people put down $200-$400 for a console, they don't want a "specialty" console, they want a console that gives them access to the wider variety of content. Same thing when they buy a video format (VHS or DVD or Blu-Ray) ... they want something that lets them play all the movies they want, not just the movies Disney makes for instance.

It's nothing personal to Nintendo, Nintendo's formula simply isn't the one that people want. The other issue too is they continue to pound the "family console" concept of gaming, and that's one that even a lot of kids don't like ... they don't want the "mommy approved console" they want the one their older brother is playing. Whereas Sony/MS' approach is to target 17-25 year olds first and then target other demographics second, that simply works better. Nintendo's approach was good for the 80s/early 90s when the game industry was much more tied to the toy industry, but it "grew up" since then.



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oniyide on 29 November 2014
generic-user-1 said:
oniyide said:
awesomeabe1998 said:
generic-user-1 said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

Why would you buy an underpowered console with less games when you can get a powerful console with all the multiplayer plus some exclusives and better online for $200 extra?


because nintendo games have the highest quality and are realy fun?


I agree with you on that one but the average consumer does not know that.

no the average consumer doenst BELIEVE that. Big difference. Nintendo has the highest quality isnt truth its a opinion no amount of posting is going to make it true. The numbers prove that.

did u ever played a broken 1st party nintendo game full of bugs?  the best quality doesnt mean you have to love em, its like a toyota or a vw, best quality , but u dont have to love their cars


metroid other m had a bug and Mario Kart 7 had a bug in one of the levels. Clearly people dont care that much about bugs otherwise things like Skyrim wouldnt put up the numbers they do. Now if that bothers you and if that is lacking "quality" then that is your opinion and right to feel that way, keyword: YOUR. Most dont share that opinion. If a person doesnt like those games in the first place it doesnt matter how little bugs it has, dont know why people here dont get that.



oniyide on 29 November 2014
Soundwave said:
Nintendo is a great company, but people simply don't need Nintendo, neither do publishers anymore. Sony and MS basically fulfill all the needs of the wider market today.

If the NES and Super NES gave away all their third party support to the Sega Master System and Sega Genesis/Turbo Grafx 16 (talking about things like Megaman, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Ninja Turtles, Street Fighter II, Wizards & Warriors, etc.), they would have lost both of those generations too.

Wii was a one off thing that I (and many others) don't think they could repeat.

When people put down $200-$400 for a console, they don't want a "specialty" console, they want a console that gives them access to the wider variety of content. Same thing when they buy a video format (VHS or DVD or Blu-Ray) ... they want something that lets them play all the movies they want, not just the movies Disney makes for instance.

It's nothing personal to Nintendo, Nintendo's formula simply isn't the one that people want. The other issue too is they continue to pound the "family console" concept of gaming, and that's one that even a lot of kids don't like ... they don't want the "mommy approved console" they want the one their older brother is playing. Whereas Sony/MS' approach is to target 19-21 year olds first and then target other demographics second, that simply works better. Nintendo's approach was good for the 80s/early 90s when the game industry was much more tied to the toy industry, but it "grew up" since then.

pretty much this. I dont even think its about growing up. IMHO people put WAY too much stock into the Ninty games themselves. Despite the fact that time and time again its been proven that they arent that popular not popular enough to push the home consoles to large numbers.



generic-user-1 on 29 November 2014
DexInDaJungle said:
generic-user-1 said:
DexInDaJungle said:
MegaDrive08 said:

Nintendo has better games in my opinion, the other two dont have anything to offer.


While I enjoy Nintendo's first party just as much as the other guy, to say that the other brands have nothing to offer is a little absurd. Even the most loyal Xbox/PS fans will tell you there are a few games coming out of the other camp that they'd love to have on their preferred console. I suppose you're entitled to your opinion and maybe you're not into the cinematic experience but even so, there are still games such as Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, Sunset Overdrive, the Tales of series, Kingdom Hearts etc.

Going back on topic, I saw a few posts saying that advertising wasn't needed. That I find to be a laughable comment. You're telling me that in North America (Can't speak for other regions but I'd guess Europe too), where you still have people who think the Wii U is just a gamepad addon to the OG Wii, isn't needed?

I'd like to think a big part of why Pokemon games and Mario Kart do so well is because they were actually advertised, both at retailers and on TV. Where as games like Wonderful 101, which I rather enjoyed, get no attention whatsoever because their budget simply isn't big enough to support advertising leaving the game in limbo. I'm not saying the Wii U could compete with advertising but it would raise awareness to the brand. At the end of the day, the saying is true. One must be willing to spend money, even lose money, in order to make a profit. Playing it safe never got anyone anywhere, Nintendo needs to remember how rutheless they were when they battled Sega for console suppremacy.

The final thing I want to add is this. Nintendo has already established that they are the handheld king and that title isn't going anywhere, so maybe it's time to focus a little less on the 3DS and put some of those games on the Wii U? Majora's Mask, Luigi's Mansion and a few other titles could have easily found their way to the Wii U to make the library have a little more fluff so to speak. I'm not saying put everything on the Wii U but you can't deny that the 3DS seems to get way more first party attention through out the year, needs to be a little more even if you ask me.


rachet is fine, sly is okay too, but both arent masterpieces. sunset overdrive isnt a exclusiv and kingdom hearts just isnt a good series at all( played all because i love disney and FF, but thats all the games have realy to offer).   an im glad u didnt talked about halo. the only big xbox series realy sucks, gunplay is meh, gameplay is okay at max, mapdesign is shit, story is lame, skillcap is way to low, online is okay.

its better than cod, but allmost every fps is. 

 

i dont realy understand how u can love xbox. its nothing special, just a soulless console to play multiplats and halo.

Sunset Overdrive most certainly is exclusive to the Xbox One. Maybe there is something I am unaware of but at this moment, it is only available on Xbox One.

Also, you can have your opinions on those games, that's totally fine but I guess that means I can too. Like I said, I'm a Nintendo fan but by no means are all of their games "masterpieces". Honestly, as much as I enjoy Nintendo's first party, I believe they are extremely overrated by a portion of the gaming community. Zelda is great, 3D Mario is fantastic and Smash/Mario Kart offer a great deal of fun when playing with friends but to say that these games are the be-all end-all is simply absurd.

And where did I state that I "love Xbox"? I assume you saw my avatar and just assumed? Not gonna lie, I'm a fan of the console because I personally do enjoy playing online games like Halo, Call of Duty and the occasional WWE/NHL game with friends. I know to some people that's considered a sin in the gaming universe but I like what I like. But please don't assume things because I do enjoy my Playstation and Nintendo consoles just as much for what they offer me.


sure, nintendo games arnt the only good games, but they are the best exclusives by far.  ND is the only non-nintendo 1st party studio thats on par with nintendo. (i can back that up with metacritic ratings if i have to)

 

and i didnt even looked at your avatar^^, that wasnt in any context to your post.

 

and i dont wanted to be mean with the xbox comment.   there is nothing wrong with playing casual games with friends, but you only do it on a xbox because all your friends have a xbox too. there is just nothing special with xbox.

playstation, xbox, there isnt a real difference for the most people( sony and m$ sale to little games for that), why can anybody love the one and hate the other? its the freaking same...



MegaDrive08 on 29 November 2014
oniyide said:
awesomeabe1998 said:
generic-user-1 said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

Why would you buy an underpowered console with less games when you can get a powerful console with all the multiplayer plus some exclusives and better online for $200 extra?


because nintendo games have the highest quality and are realy fun?


I agree with you on that one but the average consumer does not know that.

no the average consumer doenst BELIEVE that. Big difference. Nintendo has the highest quality isnt truth its a opinion no amount of posting is going to make it true. The numbers prove that.

Nintendo do offer the best quality, complete games packed with content, you get more bang for your buck with Nintendo, look at the quality DLC on MK8, you get a complete new game for about £13 or whatever it is, these other companys try and nickle and dime you for DLC and people support it and these companys are getting worse with it because gamers are letting them get away with it, for stuff that should of been in the game to begin with, look at smash bros packed with quality content, you get a complete game when you purchase it, quality! which quite frankly your not getting from these other third party companys.



 

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DarkRPGamer007 on 29 November 2014

Dude sales from Nov. 22nd are just the US getting Smash and it's actually not too bad



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bouzane on 29 November 2014
awesomeabe1998 said:

With the release of Super Smash Bros. U in the US the Wii U's weekly amount of units sold globally is at 149k the week ending November 22 and SBBU sold 481k in the span of two days globally. Don't get me wrong, this is fantastic and the fastest selling Wii U game to date. With all the news about how it is selling like crazy in Europe is great as well and I'm pretty sure it will sell well in Japan. I project global sales to be at around 1 million next week and I predict Wii U to be at around 450k units sold next week but is that enough? When you have the XB1 selling better than the Wii U when SSBU comes out worldwide that is not a good sign. The Wii U is struggling but not like how the Dreamcast struggled. The Dreamcast had no support from Sega but the Wii U has support from Ninty. Or does it?

My point from all this is just explaining how Nintendo should deal with the mess the Wii U caused. Yes Nintendo has yet to reveal Amiibo numbers but what else do they have? They have top quality games but they need to attract third parties, buy other companies,outsource their IPs and simply sell more units.

Attracting third parties is a hard one but acquisitions aren't. They have a decent amount of money. Enough to buy companies like Capcom or Ubisoft. They can outsource their IP's to companies like Platinum Games or Namco. They need to advertise more.

So I have two questions:

1) Why are more people buying PS4 and XB1?

2) What do you think Nintendo could do to turn this thing around?

EDIT: I had Wii U at 200k units for next week but I forgot about Black Friday so I changed it to 450k


@Bolded

Like hell SEGA didn't support the Dreamcast. In 2001 alone SEGA pupblished dozens of games, several of the highlights included:

Alien Front Online
Confidential Mission
Crazy Taxi 2
Daytona USA
Fighting Vipers 2
Headhunter
Outtrigger
Phantasy Star Online
Rez
Sega Bass Fishing 2
Shenmue II
Sonic Adventure 2

1. Both the PS4 and XBOne are outselling the WiiU for two major reasons. They are receiving more releases at the moment and in the future they will continue to gain developer support while the WiiU continues to flounder.

2. I honestly think that it is too late for Nintendo to turn the situation around. The best they can hope for is to maximize their profits and plan for the WiiU's successor.



generic-user-1 on 29 November 2014
oniyide said:
generic-user-1 said:
oniyide said:
awesomeabe1998 said:
generic-user-1 said:
awesomeabe1998 said:

Why would you buy an underpowered console with less games when you can get a powerful console with all the multiplayer plus some exclusives and better online for $200 extra?


because nintendo games have the highest quality and are realy fun?


I agree with you on that one but the average consumer does not know that.

no the average consumer doenst BELIEVE that. Big difference. Nintendo has the highest quality isnt truth its a opinion no amount of posting is going to make it true. The numbers prove that.

did u ever played a broken 1st party nintendo game full of bugs?  the best quality doesnt mean you have to love em, its like a toyota or a vw, best quality , but u dont have to love their cars


metroid other m had a bug and Mario Kart 7 had a bug in one of the levels. Clearly people dont care that much about bugs otherwise things like Skyrim wouldnt put up the numbers they do. Now if that bothers you and if that is lacking "quality" then that is your opinion and right to feel that way, keyword: YOUR. Most dont share that opinion. If a person doesnt like those games in the first place it doesnt matter how little bugs it has, dont know why people here dont get that.

it doesnt matter if i like the games or not if i judge the quality of games.

 

i like a lot of realy broken games, but i understand that the quality of those games is bad.  nd i like realy realy bad movies, and understand that the quality is shit, but i like em. (i have all uwe boll movies).

 

and sure, nintendo games have bugs, every game has bugs, but in a high quality game, u can play 100+h without finding one.



joesampson on 29 November 2014

I was actually having a similar conversation last night with a friend. I feel like Nintendo didn't even try this Black Friday. Perhaps I missed it but I didn't see any solid aggressive deals on wii u. You think for a console that is selling poorly and in last place they would be more aggressive with their deals.



TheHaydenator on 29 November 2014

more people are buying ps4 and xbox one now because they're more popular, hate to say it but it'll take a lot of effort for Nintendo to become 'the norm' again