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teigaga said:
Smear-Gel said:

Smash and MK8 both use it for Amiibo, which is reportedly selling well. I think people forget that the Gamepad can and is used in many, smallers ways. Also off tv play wich is always a plus.

I do agree that asymetric gameplay is both awesome and woefully underused though.

The people who want Amiibo can buy the more pricey gamepad bundled wii U then :)

Bundle the gamepad with some amiibo's and a revelant game aswell. Its an expensive peripheral which isn't needed,  I say let gamers decide and benefit in the process with much higher hardware and software sales.  I get Nintendo pushing it at first similar to wii remote, trying to make sure developers use it but no one is really, nintendo included. The general public have already expressed they have no interest in it, all peripherals which are worth their weight will sell as a standalone purchase, so I don't see the problem.

Its strange but suddenly it seems blatantly obvious to me, its no different from forcing Kinect on people or forcing PSVita on PS4 owners.


1) Abandoning the hardware= we have no faith in this product. Look at Kinect. You'd need a time machine though because we havent heard anything about it since.

2) Separating them will make both combined more expensive, wont they? People will like that less.

3) We are even less likely to get games with the gamepad now. Especially from 3rd party developers (particularly indies, who would rather save money)

4) Every single game announced next year for Wii U has gamepad uses outside of Off TV Play. Getting rid of the Gamepad right before that would be a terrible idea.

5) I think justifying the gamepad would be better than getting rid of it.



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The Wii-U is terrible value hardware wise if you look at price/performance. You have tablets that beat the system in performance for the same price i mean come on.



AnthonyW86 said:
The Wii-U is terrible value hardware wise if you look at price/performance. You have tablets that beat the system in performance for the same price i mean come on.


Really? What tablets are more powerful?



Smear-Gel said:
teigaga said:
Smear-Gel said:

Smash and MK8 both use it for Amiibo, which is reportedly selling well. I think people forget that the Gamepad can and is used in many, smallers ways. Also off tv play wich is always a plus.

I do agree that asymetric gameplay is both awesome and woefully underused though.

The people who want Amiibo can buy the more pricey gamepad bundled wii U then :)

Bundle the gamepad with some amiibo's and a revelant game aswell. Its an expensive peripheral which isn't needed,  I say let gamers decide and benefit in the process with much higher hardware and software sales.  I get Nintendo pushing it at first similar to wii remote, trying to make sure developers use it but no one is really, nintendo included. The general public have already expressed they have no interest in it, all peripherals which are worth their weight will sell as a standalone purchase, so I don't see the problem.

Its strange but suddenly it seems blatantly obvious to me, its no different from forcing Kinect on people or forcing PSVita on PS4 owners.


1) Abandoning the hardware= we have no faith in this product. Look at Kinect. You'd need a time machine though because we havent heard anything about it since.

2) Separating them will make both combined more expensive, wont they? People will like that less.

3) We are even less likely to get games with the gamepad now. Especially from 3rd party developers (particularly indies, who would rather save money)

4) Every single game announced next year for Wii U has gamepad uses outside of Off TV Play. Getting rid of the Gamepad right before that would be a terrible idea.

5) I think justifying the gamepad would be better than getting rid of it.


1) We're 2 years in, I think we're well past the point of anyone caring tbh. If anything their actions the last 2 years have shown they have no faith in it, a few games coming in the 2nd hald of 2015 aren't gonna to massively change peoples perceptions.

2) They wouldn't get rid of the existing delux bundle, they would just incorporate a cheaper one without the Gamepad. Buying both seperately would be more expensive but thats case for literally every bundle ever.

3) I know, but up until now Nintendo hasn't made an effort to give them to you anyway, and do indies use the control much outside of offscreen play? No reason why they can't support the peripheral  regardless of whether its mandatory or not. Microsoft gave the original kinect fine support and the peripheral sold over 20m, probably more Wii U's then Ninetndo will ever sell. Something doesn't need to be bundle to serve as a system selling point.


4) Nintendo are masters of supporting multiple controllers, I know that pretty much all of the games announced could work the other controller schemes just like Pikmin 3 and almost every other game thus far. There may be exceptions, but thats why you bundle the thing with games that actually use it. Again if Nintendo fufils ita ambitions

5) Better for who and from what perspective? In my opinion not their sales...  



Consider this: Microsoft had already lost over $400 million dollars on the X1 before they did the most recent price cut. Add that in, and Microsoft is basically gambiting future profits to make sure the Playstation brand does not take North America.

Even including subscriptions, it's kinda unlikely the X1 will ever turn a reasonable profit at this point. Microsoft is taking a knee to keep the XBox brand alive, not to better the X1.



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generic-user-1 said:
m$ is desperate to sale xbones, even if they lose alot of mney, nintendo nows they can make profit on a lot smaller installbase. restoring the brand and not losing to much money is the plan of nintendo. a price cut wouldnt help there.

How can Nintendo restore the brand by selling less units of Wii U? You pointed out an even bigger reason for Nintendo to drop the price of Wii U, it would help restore the brand. If its price drops by $50 I would import it.



AnthonyW86 said:
The Wii-U is terrible value hardware wise if you look at price/performance. You have tablets that beat the system in performance for the same price i mean come on.

Really? Which ones?



teigaga said:
Rab said:
profit > userbase


higher userbase equals more software revenue and potentially higher hardware sales revenue so its a question of risk taking and smart decision making, sometimes you make short term losses for bigger profits in the longrun- I think we've seen that pay off with the 3DS and the massive pricecut Nintendo gave it.

I personally think they should have gone in really hard with the bundles. Black Wii U, MK8, NintendoLand and SMash Bros for 299... If ever there was a chance for the tides to be turned, it would have been this holiday but Nintendo have pretty much given it away IMO. 


This. 

This is a business administration principle so basic (and we've seen countless of companies applying it over the years) that I'm still scratching my head as to why is Nintendo behaving like this.

Maybe they lost faith in its product and think that, even at $250, is not going to sell well.



Yes, they are crazy. I can't believe all those mistakes they have been doing all the whole generation.



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