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This is ridiculous, the guy was unarmed, posed no serious physical threat to anyone, the police comes out of their car to intercept him and he is dead with 6 bullets in his body SECONDS later, no matter what the guymay have done before, shouldn't people in the police force be held to higher standards than this when dealing with rogue individuals? especially when they pose no threat to anyone...

I don't know how the police officer can look at his face in the mirror after doing something like this.



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alabtrosMyster said:

This is ridiculous, the guy was unarmed, posed no serious physical threat to anyone, the police comes out of their car to intercept him and he is dead with 6 bullets in his body SECONDS later, no matter what the guymay have done before, shouldn't people in the police force be held to higher standards than this when dealing with rogue individuals? especially when they pose no threat to anyone...

I don't know how the police officer can look at his face in the mirror after doing something like this.

I mean, I haven't been following this very closely, but come on man. I at least know you're completely wrong.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
thismeintiel said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

What a complete waste of time. How many people need to die/seriously wounded for the US to reform its police agencies. All this pointless militarization that can't even actually protect anyone, and unprofessionalism that some agencies display haphazardly actually endangering its citizens is probably the greatest threat on US soil right now.

And what policy needs to be reformed.  A giant man was charging at him.  Regardless of whether he was a citizen or a police officer, he would have pulled his gun and fired.  Or is the new policy supposed to be to just take the beating?

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at

I believe a trained police officer that has already been attacked and hurt by the 'giant unarmed man' (who also made an attempt at his weapon) probably knows better how to handle a stresfull situation like that than you or me. Also, I usually agree with most of the stuff you say around here, but that last sentence is absolutely disgusting. What the hell?



Kane1389 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
 

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at

I believe a trained police officer that has already been attacked and hurt by the 'giant unarmed man' (who also made an attempt at his weapon) probably knows better how to handle a stresfull situation like that than you or me. Also, I usually agree with most of the stuff you say around here, but that last sentence is absolutely disgusting. What the hell?

The last sentence is kind of true though. He had to actually get out of the car to get charged at. Like the Dr said the only solution was to get out of the car and shoot? No call for back up or anything? Just six shots? A lot still doesn't add up for me about the situation or how it was handled. A sad loss of life is all I see and a police officer who went to far. Forget the color for me that is not the point and I am a black male. Livng in the area where all of this happened and seeing what is happening to the community upsets me the most though.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Kane1389 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
 

How about better training at self-defense, so you know non-lethal options can be taken first, I mean he is an officer, shouldn't that be mandatory. Better shooting lessons perhaps, bullets have a lot of stopping power you know, its not like the "giant man" was also a man of steel. A different officer at the scene perhaps. How about not leaving the body in the street for hours. I don't give a damn about the outcome of the court case itself because the outcome was apparent to me from day 1. What I am talking about is how the Wilson's Agency reacted and poorly managed the situation. Rioting is indicative a fundamental disconect between the officers and the citizens they are sworn to protect.

And regardless of the outcome I can guarantee that absolutely nothing will change from this. More big black men will get shot and or beaten to a pulp, preventing theoretical crimes and theoretical beatings from happening, meanwhile school shootings happen all the time. That's what I'm annoyed with.

And seriously, whats wrong with taking a beating? He'll live its not like that guy was going to break his spine or something. If your not prepared to take on the hazards of the job, why the fuck are you a police officer? How are you gonna protect and serve when you can't even protect your self.

I mean that guy that killed Treyvon was clearly over his head, but this was Wilson's Job...you mean to tell me after assessing the situation the only solution was to shoot an unarmed Giant man? I mean why the hell did he put himself in a position where he was getting charged at

I believe a trained police officer that has already been attacked and hurt by the 'giant unarmed man' (who also made an attempt at his weapon) probably knows better how to handle a stresfull situation like that than you or me. Also, I usually agree with most of the stuff you say around here, but that last sentence is absolutely disgusting. What the hell?

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The last sentence is kind of true though. He had to actually get out of the car to get charged at. Like the Dr said the only solution was to get out of the car and shoot? No call for back up or anything? Just six shots? A lot still doesn't add up for me about the situationor how it was handled. A sad loss of life is all I see and a police officer who went to far. Livng in the area where all of this happened and seeing what is happening to the community upsets me the most though.

 


A person you are interrogating attacks you, hits you, makes an attempt for your weapon and runs then runs away, only to charge back at you when you get out of the car...

You think ANY cop would just stay in his car like a pussy and wait for backup or try to detain an obviously dangerous person, especially if the person CHARGIN RIGHT AT HIM ???

Just because you have a submissive mindeset about the situation, doesnt meant the cops can afford to have it as well



d21lewis said:
enditall727 said:

 Isn't it a known fact that the average humans only use like 10% of our brain? That is not by accident. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_percent_of_brain_myth

DAMMIT, BRANNIGAN!

 

Lol when I brought that up, I wasn't going towards a "become more intelligwnt like Einstein" kind of thing. I was aiming for something else but interesting read though lol



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Looks like there's something fundamentally wrong with how the police in the USA perceive 'threatening actions'. And with them shooting first and asking questions later. And with the police buying military grade equipment.

Finally, someone who gets it.

I agree.  It’s not that Brown was in the wrong its that deadly force is considered before anything else.  Cops who are trained to kill first then ask questions later.  This whole thing of "If I FEEL threatened" then its justifiable to use deadly force.  Cops who are not properly trained to deal with any situation then to shoot someone 6 times.  Really 6 times as if one good shot would not be enough to drop someone who was dumb enough to charge an armed person (even that part seems farfetched).  

Anyone who has ever used a gun knows that shooting isn’t as easy as it seems, especially when under stress.  What is easy is shooting to kill when you have trained to use a gun.  Being a cop is not an easy job but we do have to train our police to use other means of taking people down without having to shoot to kill.  

 



Machiavellian said:

 Being a cop is not an easy job but we do have to train our police to use other means of taking people down without having to shoot to kill.  

Provide them all with tasers? But what do you do when they feel threatened by a guy who they don't know has a pacemaker and they kill him that way?

The only other way is force and when someone is bigger and stronger than you, what do you do?

Too many ifs and buts to know what to do in reality when many will argue that because of the US laws on guns, there is a need for police officers to carry guns.



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alabtrosMyster said:

This is ridiculous, the guy was unarmed, posed no serious physical threat to anyone, the police comes out of their car to intercept him and he is dead with 6 bullets in his body SECONDS later, no matter what the guymay have done before, shouldn't people in the police force be held to higher standards than this when dealing with rogue individuals? especially when they pose no threat to anyone...

I don't know how the police officer can look at his face in the mirror after doing something like this.

Eye witness accounts refute virtually everything you've just said.  

Interview Witness 10:

"Roughly I wanna say 8:40, I mean not 8:40, 11:40-11:40 is when that-when I first seen these two guys.  And, my initial thought was, "wow, that's a big dude," Because Mr. Brown, Mike Brown, my initial thought was he's a big guy.  He's tall and like stocky build and that's it.  He-he, they both walked passed me.  I took my tools, went into <redacted> I came back outside <redacted> to get some more stuff and I looked down the street and I seen the police car at a slant and I seen Mr. Brown in the window of the police car looked...it appeared as they were wrestling through the window and one gunshot had let off.  And, Mr. Brown took off running and my first thought was like "oh my gosh" did I actually just witness a police officer being murdered because it took a while for the police officer to get out of the car and pursue the-the suspect.  And, I wanna say maybe six seconds, but it seemed like it was forever after the-the-the first gunshot.  So, the police officer exited the vehicle with his weapon drawn pursuing Mr. Brown.  Mr. Brown was quite a distance and he stopped and when he stopped, he didn't get down on the ground or anything.  He turned around and did some type of movement.  I never seen him put his hands up or anything.  I can't recall the movement that he did.  I'm not sure if he pulled his pants up or-or whatever he did but I seen some type of movement and he started chargings towards the police officer.  The police officer then returned fire, well, not returned fire, open fire on Mr. Brown.  Um, if I had to guess the shots and the-the distance between him and a, Mr. Brown, it would have to be five to ten yards and the shots that were fired was four, five to six shots fired and Mr. Brown was still standing up.  Um, and my thoughts was while he's missing this guy this close, is he-is he hitting him or because Mr. Brown there was no reaction from him to show that he was been hit.  Um, after that.  Mr. Brown then paused.  He-he-he stopped running and when he stopped running the police officer stopped firing.  And, then Mr. Brown continued, started again to charge towards him after that the police officer returned fire and um well not returned, I'm using wrong...a started to fire once more at him.  Um, if I had to guess the rounds that were fired then it would be four to five more shots and after that Mr. Brown collapsed and fell to the ground."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1371232/interview-witness-10.pdf (page 4 and 5)

The problem is, we heard a great many things from the news regarding 'eye witness' testimony, prior to the release of the actual sworn statements.  Many of them proved to be false, or changed as the physical evidence was analyzed.  Thus, 24 hour news cycles can present issues, when they're trying to report on every shred of the story that they possibly can, which can sometimes assist false witness statements.  As the prosecuting attorney stated last night as they discussed the non-indictment, the need for secrecy is primarily due to trying to ascertain the validity of witness statements.

The court of public opinion had already found Mr. Wilson guilty, before he ever had a chance to speak with the Grand Jury, and that is not how the system is supposed to work.  Are there bad cops out there?  Absolutely.  But, Mr. Wilson had never used his gun in the line of duty before, and it appears from the non-indictment, and analysis of the physical evidence, coupled with vetted eye witness testimony, that the initial information the public was fed via the media, was false.