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MikeRox said:
Gammalad said:
enditall727 said:

Hmm this thing seems to be bigger than I initially expected. There are WAAAASYYYYY too many people who think that this whole situation is a lie.

There are people from the Palestines acknowledging this, People from Mexico, People from Asia(either Japan, China or Korea) and I believe People in Brazil.

I wonder why so many people think that this was set up. I havn't really been following this but I'm seeing a lot of sh!t on social media like Tumblr and other sites.

Also what do you all think about this?

...whatever


I just looked up the footage of Mike Brown in the store, the Timestamp reads 11:21


There's a hell of a lot of fabrication going on ,and the fact that people will accept anything they see on Social Media as a fact if it supports their point of view means it's going to be very difficult in the future to ever get an accurate idea of what has happened in anything, particularly if it's polarising and emotive.

This is why I do my own research on this for both sides of this argument. Its kinda sad people are doxxing just about anyone who comes out in support of Darren Wilson in hopes of getting them fired for being racist. 



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MikeRox said:


There's a hell of a lot of fabrication going on ,and the fact that people will accept anything they see on Social Media as a fact if it supports their point of view means it's going to be very difficult in the future to ever get an accurate idea of what has happened in anything, particularly if it's polarising and emotive.

However, doesn't this say 11:53?

Why is the timestamp slightly higher in the image, than the Cam# and Datestamp?



I don't know, I'm a rare breed who doesn't make snap judgements on things like this and would much rather take in all the evidence and debate from both sides before drawing a conclusion. This is literally the first legible image I found on a google search.



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MikeRox said:
I don't know, I'm a rare breed who doesn't make snap judgements on things like this and would much rather take in all the evidence and debate from both sides before drawing a conclusion. This is literally the first legible image I found on a google search.


Yeah I checked it on youtube it looked like 11:21, however all the footage is rather blurred. Im sure their is an official statement on this somewhere.



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The Fury said:
Machiavellian said:

 Being a cop is not an easy job but we do have to train our police to use other means of taking people down without having to shoot to kill.  

Provide them all with tasers? But what do you do when they feel threatened by a guy who they don't know has a pacemaker and they kill him that way?

The only other way is force and when someone is bigger and stronger than you, what do you do?

Too many ifs and buts to know what to do in reality when many will argue that because of the US laws on guns, there is a need for police officers to carry guns.

Train them to not to shot to kill.  Tasers are good, weapons that shoot none deadly rounds is also good.  Train them to understand the situation more so they know the right course of action.  Nobody said it would be easy but then again its not an easy job nor should it be.  Using deadly force for every situation is not the best course of action.  If your ideal is that cops should not have to think but just react, I hope you never have a kid in a situation where lethal force is the only option.  Police are just as much part of a community as the people who live there.  Shoot first and ask questions later should not be the only option for law enforement.  Hell, there was a case in Cleveland where a 12 year old kid was killed because he was waving around a platic gun without the red tip.



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Machiavellian said:
The Fury said:
Machiavellian said:

 Being a cop is not an easy job but we do have to train our police to use other means of taking people down without having to shoot to kill.  

Provide them all with tasers? But what do you do when they feel threatened by a guy who they don't know has a pacemaker and they kill him that way?

The only other way is force and when someone is bigger and stronger than you, what do you do?

Too many ifs and buts to know what to do in reality when many will argue that because of the US laws on guns, there is a need for police officers to carry guns.

Train them to not to shot to kill.  Tasers are good, weapons that shoot none deadly rounds is also good.  Train them to understand the situation more so they know the right course of action.  Nobody said it would be easy but then again its not an easy job nor should it be.  Using deadly force for every situation is not the best course of action.  If your ideal is that cops should not have to think but just react, I hope you never have a kid in a situation where lethal force is the only option.  Police are just as much part of a community as the people who live there.  Shoot first and ask questions later should not be the only option for law enforement.  Hell, there was a case in Cleveland where a 12 year old kid was killed because he was waving around a platic gun without the red tip.

Also, if it's not supposed to be an easy job, pay them more. Then there's more job satisfaction, frankly better applicants, and less cause to act like an asshole if you're happier with your lot in life. I am not anti-police at the end of the day, but a lot about their environment needs to be changed, and they'll become better people for it.



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Mr Khan said:

Also, if it's not supposed to be an easy job, pay them more. Then there's more job satisfaction, frankly better applicants, and less cause to act like an asshole if you're happier with your lot in life. I am not anti-police at the end of the day, but a lot about their environment needs to be changed, and they'll become better people for it.

Sorry, Civil servants may as well be 2nd class citizens to the majority of voters in the US, or at least, the majority of people voters put in office.  Police, Firefighters, Teachers, etc... they're all expendable, unless a bunch of them die, in which case everyone cares for a week or two.



I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.



Mr Khan said:

Also, if it's not supposed to be an easy job, pay them more. Then there's more job satisfaction, frankly better applicants, and less cause to act like an asshole if you're happier with your lot in life. I am not anti-police at the end of the day, but a lot about their environment needs to be changed, and they'll become better people for it.

I totally agree with this.  Cops are not paid good salaries or trained as they should.  One of the big problems when Cleveland was hemorrhaging money, they cut the police and fire fighters.  Now you have Police on the street for longer hours, unhappy and uncaring about their community.  Incidents like the one I mentioned actually more often than it should. 

When all is said and done, people like to make this case about black and white but really it’s about how we see law enforcement and how they can be better prepared to not only safeguard their lives but also the people they are to protect.  I say pay police more but also make becoming a police officer more stringent.  Give them better tools so they do not have to only use deadly force.  I definitely would have liked for Mike Brown to have had a second chance.  To see where he was going and to have the opportunity to change it around.  I would like for the Police office to not have on his conscience killing a kid.  Maybe if he has another option or choice ready at hand, this whole incident would be different..



Aeolus451 said:
I believe the cop was in the right. Brown shouldn't of reached for the cop's gun.

That would be correct if the cop shot Brown when or if he went for the gun but that is not the case.  After Brown was said to go for the gun, and not succeed he ran away.  Cop followed in pursuit and continue to shoot at Brown.  So you telling me that with all of the 8 bullets out of 12 hitting Brown from the front not the back something isn't adding up.  The issue is when Brown was shot in the head, was he giving up or did he rush Wilson and Wilson shot him in the head.  Seems really dumb for someone who was running away and having a cop fire his gun at you to suddenly turn around and rush a cop with his gun out.  Witnesses state that Brown had his hands up and was shot down.  Wilson stated, brown turned around and rushed him or at least was going forward.  Either way, after getting shot a few times in the chest, just how much forward do you think Brown was going before getting the final shot in the head.