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Seece said:
DonFerrari said:
Seece said:

Btw to put it in black and white

Your theory:

FY11 - 14.3m
FY12 - 13.9m (Missed Forecast by 1.1m)
FY13 - 13.9m ..... (Despite being down 1.17m in the US alone in those 12 months, down in Japan and Europe too). (Surpassed forecast by 900k)
FY14 - 7.1m
FY15 - 1.6m

My theory:

FY11 - 14.3m
FY12 - 13.9m (Missed forecast by 1.1m)
FY13 - 12.2m (Missed forecast by 800k, actually in line with real world sales ...)
FY14 - 7.1m
FY15 - 1.6m


And how does your numbers align with the numbers in OP since they are pulled from yealy earning releases that can't be faked... either PS2 sold more than what we have here or PS3 we can't have both as how they are.

PS2 is 62m clearly, I was never disputing that any of the figures are fake, just that his assumptions are wrong (IMO).

he gave PS2 at 162M as possible, just taught it was a little lower than that but PS3 a little more... but I don't think we will quite get a formal release for PS3 now that they are giving more numbers for PS4.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Seece said:

PS2 is 62m clearly, I was never disputing that any of the figures are fake, just that his assumptions are wrong (IMO).

he gave PS2 at 162M as possible, just taught it was a little lower than that but PS3 a little more... but I don't think we will quite get a formal release for PS3 now that they are giving more numbers for PS4.

His PS3 estimate is clearly wrong tho, I just gave a bunch of logic as to why.

And we will, the day Sony are sure of it, they'll say something. They have no reason not to.

(Just like how we got X360 > Wii in the UK) and will get the same for the US this holiday.



 

Seece said:

Btw to put it in black and white

Your theory:

FY11 - 14.3m
FY12 - 13.9m (Missed Forecast by 1.1m)
FY13 - 13.9m ..... (Despite being down 1.17m in the US alone in those 12 months, down in Japan and Europe too). (Surpassed forecast by 900k)
FY14 - 7.1m
FY15 - 1.6m

My theory:

FY11 - 14.3m
FY12 - 13.9m (Missed forecast by 1.1m)
FY13 - 12.2m (Missed forecast by 800k, actually in line with real world sales ...)
FY14 - 7.1m
FY15 - 1.6m


OH:p!Also Ps3 reached 80m shipped as of November 2nd 2013 if this helps you,i would like to do some maths but i m tired!



Seece said:
DonFerrari said:
Seece said:

PS2 is 62m clearly, I was never disputing that any of the figures are fake, just that his assumptions are wrong (IMO).

he gave PS2 at 162M as possible, just taught it was a little lower than that but PS3 a little more... but I don't think we will quite get a formal release for PS3 now that they are giving more numbers for PS4.

His PS3 estimate is clearly wrong tho, I just gave a bunch of logic as to why.

And we will, the day Sony are sure of it, they'll say something. They have no reason not to.

(Just like how we got X360 > Wii in the UK) and will get the same for the US this holiday.


I didn't check the calculus he put but well it won't make much of a difference in the end. Just going by the recent shipment numbers we know Sony have outshipping MS for quite some time. 

Perhaps we get an announcement during the anniversary.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Sony shipped 63.9m Ps3 until March 12
Sony shipped 3.1m Ps3 from April 13 - September 13

Sony announced 80m shipped Ps3 in November 2013

80 - (63.9+3.1) = 13m
So Sony shipped below 13m Ps3 from April 12 - March 13
Or over 3.5m Ps2 in that fiscal year


Ps2 ltd shipped figure is > 161.4m
Ps3 ltd shipped figure is < 85.6m

 

*The only way this math could be wrong is, if Sony announced 80m shipped as of November 2nd 2013, but already shipped more than 80m units until the end of theire September 2013 quarter

here is the pr:
TOKYO, Nov. 6, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system has reached a milestone of 80 million units*1 worldwide as of November 2, 2013. 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/playstation3-sales-reach-80-million-units-worldwide-230771611.html

 

Edit:
Still great collect of data. Thumbs up!



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Why would Sony announced passing 360? It would be a hollow victory.

They would announce something if they passed up WiiU or if they hit a 10M milestone like 90M.



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Seece said:

Confirmed? Bahahaha. No.

This is all too hypothetical. First off the 80m figure coming 10 weeks later? I don't think so, it seemed pretty obvious it was a recent occurence due to holiday ramp up.

Secondly are you taking into account the artificial FYQ4 where PS2 + PS3 shipped 3.5m, up 900k YOY, despite all trackers (NPD, Mediacreate) and VGC showing PS3 sales down YOY.

PS2 got a big final shipment there you should take into account.

Another thing is Sony's forecasts, the previous year they missed it by 1m, and they never made an announcement or any sort of remark about hitting their 13m forecast (for the year you suggest they shipped 13.9m) that doesn't ring true to me at all.

In fact if they missed it by 1m like everything suggests it did, that puts it at 12m for that year and right on par with 360.

I have no doubt PS3 will pass 360 (and think it may have already) I just don't think it's happened on the scale you suggest and don't think Sony will pass up mentioning it.

That announcement will come one day from Sony, and I can tell all the people that laughed abou how "Sony won't announce it because _________________" they were wrong.

Of course they won't care cos PS3 > 360 officially and that's what they'll say :P.

Edit - and to further disprove you. You suggesting 13.9m for that FY, means you think it was entirely flat YOY, as it did 13.9m the year before.

Hello, thanks for the feedback. As I said I'm kinda new to this, so of course I missed a few points. It's actually a good thing there's some people to work on the number with me so we could get an estimate as accurate as possible ;)

Yeah I'd found it weird that an announcement is made that late over their data, I only asked to see if people here thinks it could be possible.
About the FYQ4, it's the FY'12 Q4(jan'13-march'13) right? Yeah the ps2 sales were huge that quarter, I took it into account, but I also took into account how the sales seemed to drop a lot at the end of FY'11 (even the Xmas quarter had a drop over usual quarters that year). Therefore the beginning of FY'12 hasn't been bright for the PS2 imo.

But I think you're right now after the other arguments, the PS3 was probably 12.x Millions FY'12. (But damn, that means ps2 about flat yoy!)

About the Sony Shipments PS2 figures, as drake_tolu mentionned, something didn't really match either with their data, so I made a little search and it's possible that some of the sales were counted twice from FY'05 and FY'06 (when they changed their method of reporting sales).
We get 157.9M ps2 as of 2012,march,31st by adding all the shipment numbers, but GAF had 155.1 by taking the 138.8M announcement as of June'09 (while it is 141.x M by adding all shipments numbers from earning releases since the beginning) and then adding with the sales of every quarters to match a 155.1 as of 2012,march,31st.

I'll update the OP this weekend when I have some more time. (For now it looks like I'll add 1M ps2 and remove 1M ps3 on my FY'12/LTD estimate, and will probably check more for the 2.8 M difference ps2 LTD figure as of March 2012)

Thanks to the others also for apreciating the topic and the small effort I put into it! Need to get a sleep now, as It's already late (2.30AM) for a week day but I'll be here tomorrow again to discuss the numbers!



Prediction: End of 2015 Hardware sales (as of January 20, 2015)

Wii U: 12.1M | XBO: 19.8M | PS4: 36.0M | 3DS: 58.5M | PSV: 11.7M

One of the better sales thread read on here in a while. Good job with data and discussion points.



Euphoria14 said:

Why would Sony announced passing 360? It would be a hollow victory.

They would announce something if they passed up WiiU or if they hit a 10M milestone like 90M.

You mean the Wii, right?

And yeah, I agree. We won't hear anything other than quarterly PS3 shipments unless it hits the 90M milestone.



Euphoria14 said:

Why would Sony announced passing 360? It would be a hollow victory.

They would announce something if they passed up WiiU or if they hit a 10M milestone like 90M.

Exactly.  We are into next gen, anyway.  They MIGHT say something when the PS3 is pulled off shelves, but other than that, they are done with last gen.  Kinda funny to see some people that need to hang onto the 360 remaining in 2nd.