torok said:
kristianity77 said: The hardware isn't weak at all. Its just the same problem that everyone always picks up on every time a new generation starts. The games just dont look that much better whilst generations are crossing paths. Take last gen for example, people are saying that was a "big" difference but it most certainly didn't look like it at the start. Take 360 for example. Go an look back at games like Call Of Duty 2, GUN, Perfect Dark Zero, King Kong, Oblivion, Far Cry Instincts....the list goes on. All of these games look absolutely horrid when compared to what came out on the system a year later. And the games that came out a year or two after that made them games look rubbish and so on and so forth. A new generation always starts with cross gen ports, or games that look slightly better due to devs working out how to program and get the most out of the system. Its the same every single generation. Don't judge whether a console is underpowered now, ask the question again in say late 2015, early 2016 when games are released solely for this generation and with longer development times. I don't think they are weak, and whilst its an interesting debate, you have to remember that 99.9% of people who go out and buy xbox ones and PS4s, dont care less. Do they look better than anything on the previous gen? Yes, then that keeps players happy. |
I remeber when people dubbed the 360 as "Xbox 1.5". Now it is a "massive jump, oh my god!!". They are comparing launch visuals with eng of gen visuals for PS360 when launch games like Resistance Fall of Man just looks horrid today.
The consoles pack a pretty good power. The GPUs are fairly strong and there's plenty of memory. The difference to high-end GPUs is just because the market changed. NVidia and ATI are having trouble pushing more power and they are following the route of super-expensive/high comsumption GPU to push a little more. If you compare a GTX 770 with a Titan, of course it loses. But compare their prices. You got double the power by several times the price. This isn't tech, it's just brute force applied to give you power at any costs. The new GTX970/980 are the first time in years that GPUs really use tech instead of brute force to get power.
A lot of points in the OP are ridiculous. About the new consoles being more powerful versions of the old ones, isn't that common? SNES vs NES, Genesis vs Master System, PS1 vs PS2 and the list goes on. They are just more powerful versions of the old ones. And that drives innovation, because games are bounded by the resources they have. And even if you want to count pure innovation, I think that live streaming and video sharing are just a massive innovation by adding more social aspects to games.
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The other thing as well, is where you mention comparisons between say a GTX 770 and a Titan. A titan like you say, which is many times more expensive than a GTX 770 is undoubtably a better card. But if you play a game, pretty much any game, on both cards and restrict the display to a 1080p screen, then the gap between the two cards is noticably smaller. A Titan only really comes into its own at above 1080p. Consoles don't have any need for this and this generation of machines never ever will.
Take for example a recent ish game like Bioshock Infinite. If your playing on a 1080p screen, you can max that game out and get 60fps on both of them cards. So when your limited by the screen your playing the games on, the top end video cards don't really have an conceivable advantages. Both can play said game in question on the highest settings, 60fps, in 1080p.
Basically, the GPU's in consoles to run on a 1080p screen are perfectly fine. Yes, the arguament lies in the fact that "some" players want 60fps for everything but the reality is, is thats its rarily needed. We've been playing 95% of 3D games on consoles at 30fps since what...1996 or so when the PS1 came out? Hasn't been a problem since then, so I dont understand the problem now.
Will a lack of 1080/60 hamper console sales this winter of titles like Far Cry 4, Dragon Age, GTA V, Assassins Creed, Bloodbourne etc etc? Of course it won't. 99.9% of players will be too busy playing and having fun to care.