WagnerPaiva said:
The prophet Isaiah lived 700 years befor Jesus Christ and 100 years before Daniel. Through him, God said:
{It is} he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof {are} as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: {It is...: or, Him that}
Isaiah 40:22
So, he said the earth is a sphere.
Also, you have been deceived, here is what the passage you mentioned says:
On my bed I saw a vision: there was a tree in the middle of the earth, and it was very high. And the tree became tall and strong, stretching up to heaven, and to be seen from the ends of the earth:
Daniel 4:10-11
So, no flat Earth whatsoever. Ends of Earth is a common expression we use to this day in many languages, do not mean flat...
By the way, Daniel is talking about A VISION in his bed, a dream. So, the vision is a alegory, as we all know, the tree is the coming reign of Jesus Christ.
By the way, the flat Earth is a RCC concept borrowed from mistery cults of demons (pagan gods). The RCC made a sport of killing real christians during these 2 thousand years. Most of the people burned in the stakes were burned with their bibles around their necks. So, do not use the RCC creeds agains real christianity. Not christians, cause I do believe there are catholics that love God above all things.
Also, it is a very noble thing to seek truth, but it is a very evil thing to seek reasons to not believe.
What do you seek? The truth? Even if the truth is God and Jesus?
Or are you willing to acept any explanation that helps you in your scape from God and Jesus? If that, think about what you are doing spreading these lies. If you are right, then it is ok. If you are wrong, you are driving a lot of people to doom.
If I am wrong, then it is ok. But if I am right, them I am helping to show a lot of people the way to be saved.
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Circle =/= sphere. A circle is a 2D object while a sphere is a 3D object, ironically Earth isn't a sphere anyways. That's a pretty severe mistake to make. God must have a very oddly shaped tent for this occasion. Your image, the points for a few are not quite correct and others are a very generous interpertation, which that specific interpertation exists only after science has proved things like atoms exist (by the way, atoms are not invisible), funny ain't it?
The Ends of the Earth is a common expression? Where? That expression makes absolutely no sense considering location is relative, what is the ends of the earth to someone living in China and one living in Rome? If anything, the only times I see that phrase is a cheesy tagline for a movie or some news article about Jennifer Lawrence. By the way guess who is famous for proving the Earth is a spherical object? Pythagoras, who was a pagan.
The Roman Catholic Church is indeed gulity of many crimes but so are other Christains, Orthodoxs? Read what they have done in Russia in the past? Protestants? Read a bit of American history. I don't want to sound like I am targetting Christains exclusively because every single worldview and religion have blood on their hands in some form or another, some maybe more than others.
You believe that I am trying to find out some sort of truth. Truth of... what exactly? What happens after death? I could care less what happens after death, as far as I am concerned that's it. Chances are this is our only shot at life, and my life is build around reason, of living a good life for myself and the people I affect, not to spoil and destory our Earth as others have done, to love my friends and family, never to hurt others for my own personal and never to betray the good people in my life. These are my morals, what I live by. I don't impose my morals on other people, I don't tell them they have to follow my way of life or burn in eternal hell. If your God does not like that, or well he is not worth me anyways. Not all Christain sects agree on the concept of the afterlife nevermind the Jews disagree if there is an afterlife at all. And all the other religions with various afterlifes and all that, if you want to go on probably alone then chances are we're both wrong. But because we haven't found any souls or anything to suggest something happens after you die, therefore I find it a safe bet to make.
I don't tell you not to be a Christain, you say quite a few radical things, which also touch personally. And I am curious why you believe these things, what is your justification for the things that you have said in this thread, so far your answers have been quite unsatisfactory. I disagree and I do think you need to be educated on scientific topics but I do not insult you by calling you a liar and I don't care what religion or lack of religion you are. I will not judge you unless you judge me, and I do have the impression you do not tolerate my beliefs and my way of life.
"Or are you willing to acept any explanation that helps you in your scape from God and Jesus?" This would only make sense if there were an undeniable fact that Jesus and God acutally exist and are the way you believe in them, and also I am not insecure about what I belive in it's not like I spend my day searching around on the internet "Why God doesn't exist" or whatever, acutally the burdan of proof is on you. I do not hold that belief and doesn't does 6/7ths of the world either. Why don't you believe Mohammed is the true prophet? Why don't you believe that Japan was created by two Gods while out fishing? Why don't you believe Thor is the mighty protector of mankind? And so on and so on...
You sound like to be righteous and overall I would say from what I know of you, you seem like a decent person. But consider this, consider what the Bible says is to be righteous, consider that all the good people in your life which are not Christains, are going to hell. Consider that they will not change their mind because of what they think about the Bible and consider people who will b a certain way are forever going to be punished.