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Is Nintentacle Religionintentacle?

Yes. 6 75.00%
 
No. 1 12.50%
 
Maybe so. 1 12.50%
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_the_Bible

Muslims 'scholars' seem to think that Muhammad is mentioned numerous times in the Bible -- just not by name!

If I recall correctly, in Genesis, God said "names are overrated anyway!" -- amen.

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Here's what the Quran says about people like you Nintentacle!

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"




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Also Nintentacle what is the point of this thread? Are you trying to imply your religion is anymore credible than Islam?



LurkerJ said:

I am not asking about the purpose of life. I am asking why Allah calls himself the most merciful. A grand gesture of mercy would've been not creating the world we live in at all. But Allah did create this merciless world. The purpose you guys are talking about makes the matter even worse. It also leads to another question: Why did Allah need to create and test his creatures? 

(I know very little of the Qur'an, but a decent amount about the Christian Bible, so consider my expertise to be in general theology)

I assume the mercy comes in by the fact that Allah/God gives us a chance to have eternal salvation. We unfortunately threw away so many of the chances we were given by eating of the forbidden fruit and murdering Jesus and repeatedly showing our sinful nature, but God still loves us. He has not destroyed us, could that not be considered the ultimate act of mercy by an all powerful creator? He is giving us all a chance to prove we are good, is that not generous? 

Why create and test creatures? Well that is a much more difficult question. God is not human, and thus he doesn't use human logic. I could humanize God by talking about the desire to create and the desire to love and the desire to be loved, but that is humanizing. We can't know how the Creator thinks and as such, I don't think that question holds much merit.

LurkerJ said:

This raises more questions than it answers. Allah created naturally destructive creatures. If Allah is merciful, he should forgive us all for acting in our nature. The answer to your question would be Yes! Naturally destructive humans deserve his mercy. 

We are not beasts. Beasts are forgiven for their nature, we are given knowledge and wisdom and the ability to choose between right and wrong. We are not naturally good or evil, we make the choice of who to be. And yet, we are still forgiven for our sins when we make the wrong choice. God understands that we will make mistakes and we will sin, that is why he forgives us if we truly repent. Is that not also mercy?



This thread's done well enough, so i'll let it live for now (can't say for certain what the others will do, though).



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Leadified said:

Also Nintentacle what is the point of this thread? Are you trying to imply your religion is anymore credible than Islam?


It may not be more credible, but it's certainly much nicer.

"So when they continued asking him, he [Yeshua] lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

John 8:7

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Matthew 7:1

“Put your sword back in its place,” Yeshua said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Matthew 26:52



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BraveNewWorld said:
Leadified said:

Also Nintentacle what is the point of this thread? Are you trying to imply your religion is anymore credible than Islam?


It may not be more credible, but it's certainly much nicer.

"So when they continued asking him, he [Yeshua] lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

John 8:7

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Matthew 7:1

“Put your sword back in its place,” Yeshua said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

Matthew 26:52

That part is true, out of all three the New Testament is definitely the book that violence especially is a big no no. God especially kills far fewer people in the NT compared to the OT. Buuut it does also contain some not so nice verses.

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:8

I'll give credit where credit is due though.



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VXIII said:

It is not the name that is written (Mohammed) "the Messenger,... , whom they find written " meaning the messenger is referred to in those books. As for the references themselves, they are not a set in stone (as they shouldn't be) they are only references. Each group try to apply their beliefs on the subject. Feel free to waste your time. http://www.answering-christianity.com/prediction.htm

 

A word of advice, if you want to "find" something, you should start with the main subjects... with the basics.

The "comforter" is the Holy Spirit. Jesus said he would send a comforter to his apostles, but Muhammad was born hundreds of years later.



Frank_kc said:
Old Testament: Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16

Hebrew Text: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

The name is there: Muhammadim

However, see how your folks translated his name: "altogether lovely" is other copies of the bible....

The person who wrote that part was talking about a lover. How can the lover be Muhammad if he wasn't born yet?

Regardless, this isn't in the Torah (5 books of Moses) or Gospel like the Qur'an said it was in.