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It does seem there was a real issue after all. Forum post, wall post, game wall post they all fall under the same rules so calling someone an idiot on a wall or in a post is the same. It seems Cone was under the impression there was more leniency for wall post but that shouldn't be the case. Wall post offenses do often slip under the radar because of they are less visible and have no report button but they shouldn't be treated differently when encountered.



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RolStoppable said:
Conegamer said:

That's right. Upon reflection, would an official moderation have been more appropriate? Perhaps, and perhaps a greater level of consistancy needs to be levelled when considering these matters in the future. I'll be sure to discuss the matter with the other mod(s) whom were involved in the discussion at the time and see their take on the matter; and whilst this instance won't be altered it's definitely something that we can learn from and take onboard in future to avoid another such issue. 

Consistancy is something that I, or we as a mod team, strive for. Everyone should be treated fairly and without bias, and I definitely think it's something that has improved. Is there still some way to go to achieve this? Sure, but we're always trying to improve (the recent mod survey is evidence) and this is another example. 

I appreciate this response. It means that other mods can be dragged into this and you aren't just serving as a scapegoat while the rest of the team leans back and lets you take the heat.

To be absolutely clear, I am not asking for any kind of moderation for Anfebious.

That makes sense. As Trucks said perhaps I acted in error on this occasion; however that's something that I'll discuss with Smeags and see his opinion on the matter. I'll even post the result of said discussion either here or via PM to you for ultimate clarity, and although Anfebious won't be moderated (which I understand wasn't your intention; I believe the intention was to highlight a lack of consistency and how focus must be applied to all reports; I apologize for the former and appreciate the focus being drawn on the latter) it's something to take on board and learn from for myself and the entire team. 

I hope this has at least cleared up some of the questions surrounding this matter and, whilst perhaps not the exact response you were hoping for, has at least gone some way towards solving the matter.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

RolStoppable said:
Conegamer said:

In a sense. He was PM'd to inform him that such posts aren't acceptable after the comment was deleted. However as I discussed at the time, the rules about posting on walls and the general lack of severity of the post (there wasn't really an awful lot wrong with what he posted; however to avoid further issues from arising we deleted the comment and sent him a PM warning him. 

If what you are asking is "did he get away with it?", then no. It wasn't just deleted with no consequence. 

If I may take you up on this again, I want to let the community know about the content we are talking about. I got moderated for saying this in response to Soundwave:

"You really are an idiot."

But I didn't just say that person A sucks, I explained why person A sucks (yes, that's referencing the "item A sucks" forum rule). Full post here.

Anfebious posted this on my wall after I had been banned:

"But Soundwave really is an _____!"

That's the entirety of what he said and there's 100% certainty what goes in the blank. You described that comment as having a general lack of severity. But you will be forgiven, Conegamer, because you are correct that there wasn't an awful lot wrong with what he posted. You sly dog.

Understandable; context is always kind in such scenarios and so such a post allows people to see how things panned out. Like I said before there's definitely lessons to be learnt from this; for myself and for the team; to avoid this from occuring again. Having said that, there's not an awful lot more that I can say on the matter at this time before the conversation becomes repetitive, so I'll leave it with this.

The only way that the mod team will improve and become more well-rounded (be it in terms of activity, consistancy or whatever else you may choose) is to recieve feedback and to have potential loopholes/ambiguities highlighted, so that they can be removed leading to a better unit and (hopefully) a healthier site. I'd like to think that you, and other users, can see the evidence in this already; be it in the past month or the past year. So although it may have taken some time to arrive at this point, I do appreciate you making it and as I said before I'll discuss it and (hopefully!) that will be one more ambiguity removed, meaning that this won't be an issue again. 



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

gergroy said:


None of those sound like something deserving of moderation... however, it is nice to see ideas of how to improve the forum so I will give you +1 anyway!

Which is exactly the attitude I want to fight.

Nobody likes these things yet nobody wants to do something about it. Why do the mods even bother to lock dupe threads or put threads in the right sections when it's apparently accepted behavior.

If the mods do something to rectify it then there's obviously something wrong with it. If there is something wrong with it, why not tell people that it is?

That's like a mother who sees her child throwing its new toy at her and instead of telling it to stop just gives the toy back to it only to be thrown at again. That's not only very bad parenting but also idiocy.

 Not to mention that it it's the same mother who beats her child as soon as it uses a naughty word.



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Conegamer said:
RolStoppable said:

If I may take you up on this again, I want to let the community know about the content we are talking about. I got moderated for saying this in response to Soundwave:

"You really are an idiot."

But I didn't just say that person A sucks, I explained why person A sucks (yes, that's referencing the "item A sucks" forum rule). Full post here.

Anfebious posted this on my wall after I had been banned:

"But Soundwave really is an _____!"

That's the entirety of what he said and there's 100% certainty what goes in the blank. You described that comment as having a general lack of severity. But you will be forgiven, Conegamer, because you are correct that there wasn't an awful lot wrong with what he posted. You sly dog.

Understandable; context is always kind in such scenarios and so such a post allows people to see how things panned out. Like I said before there's definitely lessons to be learnt from this; for myself and for the team; to avoid this from occuring again. Having said that, there's not an awful lot more that I can say on the matter at this time before the conversation becomes repetitive, so I'll leave it with this.

The only way that the mod team will improve and become more well-rounded (be it in terms of activity, consistancy or whatever else you may choose) is to recieve feedback and to have potential loopholes/ambiguities highlighted, so that they can be removed leading to a better unit and (hopefully) a healthier site. I'd like to think that you, and other users, can see the evidence in this already; be it in the past month or the past year. So although it may have taken some time to arrive at this point, I do appreciate you making it and as I said before I'll discuss it and (hopefully!) that will be one more ambiguity removed, meaning that this won't be an issue again. 


I have been reading this "chain of comments" and I want to ask just in case: what kind of discussion are you guys talking about?



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vivster said:
gergroy said:


None of those sound like something deserving of moderation... however, it is nice to see ideas of how to improve the forum so I will give you +1 anyway!

Which is exactly the attitude I want to fight.

Nobody likes these things yet nobody wants to do something about it. Why do the mods even bother to lock dupe threads or put threads in the right sections when it's apparently accepted behavior.

If the mods do something to rectify it then there's obviously something wrong with it. If there is something wrong with it, why not tell people that it is?

That's like a mother who sees her child throwing its new toy at her and instead of telling it to stop just gives the toy back to it only to be thrown at again. That's not only very bad parenting but also idiocy.

 Not to mention that it it's the same mother who beats her child as soon as it uses a naughty word.

Stop going off topic in the rol mod thread.

Seriously though, I can understand why a number of these concerns irritate you. But by and large, it would just be overzealous to moderate them.

That said, we do try to be mindful (as a collective) when people are making a habit of these things - at which point action may be taken.



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vivster said:
Suggestion:
Using the mod system to actually improve the quality of this forum.

- punish easily avoidable dupe threads
A thread is not a simple post and as such should be treated with as much effort as possible. If there is a thread that could've been easily avoided by a quick look into the appropriate forum section or "Latest Topcs" speak out a warning. Repeat offenders get banned.

- punish threads put into the wrong forum section
A really bad habit of some people which makes it harder to avoid dupe threads and is generally against normal forum etiquette. Warn repeat offenders, ban them if it gets too much.

- punish people for double posts
Another bad habit of some people and also against forum etiquette. This of course needs some nuance but there are some really obvious cases like people who post directly after their OP something that could've easily fit in the OP. For god's sake I just saw someone posting a thread and in the second post, put a single youtube link(not even embedded). Obvious spamming. Warn people and ban repeat offenders.

If possible in this forum replace "ban" with "taking away thread making rights".

Most duplicate threads I have seen usually fall into one of two categories.

The first being the "Rush Hour Duplicates" which happen when there is hot news and people rush to make threads, so sometimes, even within seconds of each other there's a number of threads with the same topic. The second being the more delayed duplicate threads which are made days after the original thread and OP didnt realise a thread was already made. I think moderating people for this would be rather harsh, the OP doesn't have any ill intention and it's no issue to lock a thread. If someone were to make a bunch of duplicate threads in a short time span and they aren't making the slightest effort to check for duplicates then that would open up the case for a moderation.

Same thing I would say for threads in the wrong subforums. Mistakes happen but if it becomes a pattern then it opens the way for some action.

However, I despise double posts, it's creates so much unnecessary clutter. I can understand OPs in the sense of trying to organise a thread so it's all a bit easier to read and access and to extent people trying to have multiple conversations and they want each person to see that they have been quoted. As much as I dislike the clutter in those cases, I can understand why it happens. Double posts are looked down frowned upon but officially they are not in the forum rules.

Taking away thread making rights for offenders is an interesting suggestion I think.



Hi, just wanted to say that I have a problem with an issue that relates to Redgrave's latest ban; something that I have seen before in the forums. I have no problem with the ban, he did react strongly and should have taken a different posting route. You see it pisses me off when a user asks for an opinion and then calls the responses wrong, then becomes defensive when they are called out for it. If you already had your mind made up, then why are you making a thread in the first place?

Cfin's thread relates to this, although not as bad as what I've seen elsewhere. He called Red's evaluation silly because he didn't agree with it I guess. It escalated into cfin saying that Red had only commented to be annoying. Redgrave's reactionary post was against the rules but it was 100% accurate. The statement he made that got him banned is very applicable to other users I have seen on this site. Now Redgrave has been banned 3(?) times, and marked as a repeat flamer, for speaking the truth.



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Leadified said:
vivster said:
Suggestion:
Using the mod system to actually improve the quality of this forum.

- punish easily avoidable dupe threads
A thread is not a simple post and as such should be treated with as much effort as possible. If there is a thread that could've been easily avoided by a quick look into the appropriate forum section or "Latest Topcs" speak out a warning. Repeat offenders get banned.

- punish threads put into the wrong forum section
A really bad habit of some people which makes it harder to avoid dupe threads and is generally against normal forum etiquette. Warn repeat offenders, ban them if it gets too much.

- punish people for double posts
Another bad habit of some people and also against forum etiquette. This of course needs some nuance but there are some really obvious cases like people who post directly after their OP something that could've easily fit in the OP. For god's sake I just saw someone posting a thread and in the second post, put a single youtube link(not even embedded). Obvious spamming. Warn people and ban repeat offenders.

If possible in this forum replace "ban" with "taking away thread making rights".

Most duplicate threads I have seen usually fall into one of two categories.

The first being the "Rush Hour Duplicates" which happen when there is hot news and people rush to make threads, so sometimes, even within seconds of each other there's a number of threads with the same topic. The second being the more delayed duplicate threads which are made days after the original thread and OP didnt realise a thread was already made. I think moderating people for this would be rather harsh, the OP doesn't have any ill intention and it's no issue to lock a thread. If someone were to make a bunch of duplicate threads in a short time span and they aren't making the slightest effort to check for duplicates then that would open up the case for a moderation.

Same thing I would say for threads in the wrong subforums. Mistakes happen but if it becomes a pattern then it opens the way for some action.

However, I despise double posts, it's creates so much unnecessary clutter. I can understand OPs in the sense of trying to organise a thread so it's all a bit easier to read and access and to extent people trying to have multiple conversations and they want each person to see that they have been quoted. As much as I dislike the clutter in those cases, I can understand why it happens. Double posts are looked down frowned upon but officially they are not in the forum rules.

Taking away thread making rights for offenders is an interesting suggestion I think.

You missed a few other categories in the dupe thread motivation.
People who just don't give a shit and people who only put minimal effort into checking. That's why I said "obvious dupe threads". I have absolutely nothing against dupe threads that fall into the categories you mentioned. Though I only except rush hour dupes when they are within 10 seconds. If it is too much effort for the thread creator to make one last check before they click submit then they don't think their thread is worth it and it might as well be. Such behavior shouldn't be encouraged by just doing nothing against it. Making a thread isn't twitter or a youtube comment. It's the start of a hopefully lively discussion or to spread important news. But the way some people treat threads in these forums is unbelievably disrespectful to anyone actually putting at least minimal effort into their threads. Not taking the time to check which topic you are posting in is just another example of this and another factor actively contributing to dupe threads.

As for the double posts; unless you're having multiple big pieces of text or pictures or tables it should just be banned. I have seen too many one liners directly after the opening post which could've easily fit in the OP. As if they don't know where the edit button is. But they do, they just don't give a shit because there are no consequences for reckless behavior.

So why are we going all Nazi on the smallest possible offending words while turning our backs against the other kind of disrespectful behavior?

Nothing will change unless the offenders know that it's not OK. A warning doesn't hurt and people will think twice when they're creating their next thread.

So unless this forum is meant to be Twitch Chat quality, something has to be done. You know that dupe threads and spam double posts and threads in the wrong sections are not good. So please let that be reflected in your actions. I will be the first in voluteering to report such behavior.



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And a double post to prove my point. But here is another suggestion.

If you're so against taking action, how about a banner message before creating your first thread with the dos and don'ts of proper thread making? Of course once the banner is live all other users who already created threads will see it as well. Even if this doesn't stop rude behavior, you have at least some leverage.



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