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RolStoppable said:

Ah yes, the same old issue. You can flame, mock and belittle other people as long as you avoid a specific choice of words. Toss in moderations that are issued based on intent and you get something really blurry.

How is being moderated for telling someone that their post is talking nonsense because theyre high on drugs just "intent"?



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Ka-pi96 said:
man-bear-pig said:
I don't think GTAexpert was trolling... I agree that tbone should've been moderated but if it was me I'd have just given him a warning, regardless of his moderation history, considering how minor the infraction was. The ban was definitely too harsh and the whole "thin ice" thing is way too far. It's not like he's an unpleasant poster in any way so the fact that he's even considered as being on thin ice is cray

Agreed. Can't really argue that it shouldn't have been moderated, if people do bait posts then you just need to give decent reasons why it is wrong or if you don't want to do that then just report/ignore it and move on.

Also, more warnings rather than bans would definitely be a good thing especially for more experienced members like Tbone. I get that him doing flaming posts  isn't good, but they aren't usually that bad (especially this one) and we don't want him gone for good. Giving a bit of extra leeway to users that are generally a positive to the community wouldn't be a bad idea.

T-bone's a good user by and by, he just has to hold out 6 months and the whole history gets reset. 20 days of that 6 months is already given to him by default



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Please note that tbone's ban has been reduced from 20 days to 10 days.

Here is a copy of the new moderation message: "After considering your good behavior since your previous ban, and the context of this thread, a portion of your ban will be commuted. However, this doesn't change the fact that personal insults are still against forum rules and that demeaning outbursts like yours will be subject to moderation going forward. When you return, I advise you to take a deep breath before posting anything that could be considered derogatory. In particular, I want to you think seriously about letting opposing opinions go unheeded. Don't take the bait. And if you must respond, do so without profanity, and without suggestions of trolling, or inebriation, or lunacy. If you have to, do the following: write out a draft with all the things you wish you could say. Read it once. Read it twice. Read it three times. Does it break any rules? Is it rude and condescending? Will it embarrass another user and incite a violent response? If yes, then delete it. Be the bigger person."

I take full responsibility for the original ban, which, in hindsight, was overlong. tbone's post was offensive and deserving of moderation, but 20 days was excessive.

tbone was originally banned for 20 days based on the content of his post and a laundry list of previous infractions. However, by looking too closely at previous moderations, I didn't look closely  enough at the text, context, and subtext of the post in question.

I'm open to any questions about this process and ultimate judgment, and, again, I take full responsibility for the error.



Ka-pi96 said:

Agreed. Can't really argue that it shouldn't have been moderated, if people do bait posts then you just need to give decent reasons why it is wrong or if you don't want to do that then just report/ignore it and move on.

Also, more warnings rather than bans would definitely be a good thing especially for more experienced members like Tbone. I get that him doing flaming posts  isn't good, but they aren't usually that bad (especially this one) and we don't want him gone for good. Giving a bit of extra leeway to users that are generally a positive to the community wouldn't be a bad idea.

Tbone's a great guy no doubt, and he's most certainly a guy we want on this site.

However, at this point we can all acknowledge that he's a guy who will take on anyone and everyone who is seen criticizing Nintendo. And he has the tendency to become over-eager in this defense, and most certainly easily flustered. We're at the point where we're tired of telling him again and again to ease off the outbursts when he gets aggrivated with those whom he sees as against Nintendo. I think we can all agree with that.

In the past year, he's done this act 9 seperate times. Slapping his hand again and again and telling him not to do it over and over just isn't good moderating. At some point, the warnings need to stop and action needs to take place. We've explained it over and over that he needs to just calm down and walk away if he gets aggrivated. But since he doesn't, despite our countless talks, PMs, and warnings, we moderate. At some point he needs to see this flaw in his posting style and do away with it. Otherwise he literally cannot participate with the community because he's banned.

Remember, your history is who you are on this site. And this is just a continuation of his history.

Anyways, Vek made a great decision and I'm behind it 100%, for the original ban and the change of time served. Hopefully this time Tbone can keep a cool head.



Ka-pi96 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I'm open to any questions about this process and ultimate judgment, and, again, I take full responsibility for the error.

I think it's more an error in the progressive moderation system than an error by you. Some flexibility with that system (as has now happened here) would be great!

From the forum rules:

Moderation on VGChartz. VGChartz uses a progressive moderation system as a basic guideline for moderating users. This means that repeats of similar offenses will often result in harsher penalties, starting with a warning and working up.

  • Any level of progression when it comes to ban length may be skipped in especially serious/heinous cases.
  • In the same way, moderators may be more lenient when issuing a moderation period, due to a myriad of reasons (usually participating in the forums for a period of time without breaking the following rules). This leniency is of course at the discretion of the moderator.

Well look at that! Flexibility within the system.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I'm open to any questions about this process and ultimate judgment, and, again, I take full responsibility for the error.

I think it's more an error in the progressive moderation system than an error by you. Some flexibility with that system (as has now happened here) would be great!

As Smeags said there is a good deal of flexibility within the system, and it's something that we try to perfect. This was just a difficult case but I feel as though the correct decision was made.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

I want smeags banned for reasons.
Reasons I'm under strict agreement with ioi not to disclose, but may or may not be related to mike'n'ikes, E3 and a woman named Lisa.



Tachikoma said:
I want smeags banned for reasons.
Reasons I'm under strict agreement with ioi not to disclose, but may or may not be related to mike'n'ikes, E3 and a woman named Lisa.

I've never been one to go against ioi before...it is done.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Conegamer said:
Tachikoma said:
I want smeags banned for reasons.
Reasons I'm under strict agreement with ioi not to disclose, but may or may not be related to mike'n'ikes, E3 and a woman named Lisa.

I've never been one to go against ioi before...it is done.




And by ioi i mean "interesting onions international" ;D



Ka-pi96 said:
:o Smeags banned?

Don't worry, he'll forgive me, for I am actualy Smeags's alter-ego.