Intrinsic said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
BlueFalcon said:
You can do even better for $10 by buying a HIS IceQ R9 280 with 0.95Ghz clocks and 3GB of VRAM. This card overclocked to 1.15Ghz ~ GTX680/7970Ghz!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161456&cm_re=his_r9_280-_-14-161-456-_-Product
No doubt you can build a PC with a Pentium G3258 and R9 280 (~ 7950 @ 950mhz) and in 3-4 years drop a used i7 4790K in there and that will last another 3-4 years probably until PS6/XB2. Over those 7-8 years, the amount of money you will save on games will easily allow you to get an i7 4790K and a brand new GPU upgrade 2-3X. Heck, a $329 970 provides about 95% of the perforamnce of the 11 months old 780Ti's which retailed for $699 . On average GPU performance now doubles every 3 years. 780Ti ~ 970 is 2X faster than the GPU in PS4. That means in 3 years from now you could get a GPU for $350 that will be 2X faster than a GTX970 and again 2X faster in 3-4 more years near the end of PS4's life -- or 8X the performance of a PS4 at minimum in 6 years from now.
I have known this for at least 15 years since I started building PCs -- that if you buy a lot of games, PC gaming is cheaper over the useful life os a console. Alternatively you can upgrade your PC every 3-4 years with the money saved from not buying 30-40 console games. However, I still consider consoles for their exclusives and for multiplayer games with friends. For that reason once Uncharted, God of War and some other cool games come out, I'll grab a PS4, while buying 95% of all cross-platform titles on the PC.
As far as Ubisoft goes, their programmers can't code worth a damn. Far Cry 3 - stuttering mess on flagship GPUs, Watch Dogs - garbage, every AC game is an unoptimized turd (AC Black Flag isn't too bad). Ubisoft hasn't made a well optimized game in years. That doesn't mean Sony's first party developers won't squeeze awesome graphics out of 1st party titles in the next 6-7 years. I wouldn't use this titles as an indication that the CPU in current consoles is fully maxed out. I doubt Ubisoft spread the load across all 6 available CPU cores.
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And watch as everyone tries to tell you that you're wrong :/
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You Pc types are so intelligently silly its baffling. Lik seriously, that is what shocks me the most about PC gamers. They seem to know so much yet so little at the same time. No thats not it, its not possible, I think they selectively choose what to know and not know. Here are a few things to consider.
- Console gaming is always going to be more straightforward than PC gaming. I hope we can all at least agree on this. No, don't say or think that cause you can everyone can or that everyone likes the idea of tinkering with parts and components and drivers. Console gaming will always be more plug and play than PC gaming.
- But lets forget that and delve into this part swapping theory of yours. So basically you are talking about buying used parts and swapping them with what you ahve at periodical intervals. By your estimates you are talking about putting in a $300+ GPU three to 4 years later for instance that will give you 4-5 times the performance of what you have in a PS4. Cool, no argument there. But this is where the PC gamer logic baffles me. Are PCs the only place you can find used parts? How much will a used PS4 cost in 3 years time?So what if at that time you could also get a used PS4 for $170?
- then this talk about saving money and buying 40 games at $40 and 60. Come on, lets be honest here.... how many AAA games are released on PC each year that have that $40 asking price to begin with? Do you guys realize that 15-20 of those 40 console games you mention are exclusives? And lastly, if you are smart enough to know that games on PCs are cheaper... you have to also be smart enough to know that its possible to buy games used on consoles right?
I am not saying that what you are saying about PCs are wrong... just that its a very biased way to look at the facts cause I could just as easily make counter argumnets. I think it all boils down to user prefernece. And it should be left at that. I find it somewhat pthetic how every thread dealing with "console" performance breaks down into a PC thread. Like don't you guys have a place where you can argue and bitch about AMD vs NVIDIA anymore? The whole console PC nonsense is like bringing a bazooka into a fist fight. And that is another display of silly by PC gamers when they can't see that.
Its like me going into a wiiU thread and showing pictures and stats of how much better the PS4 version of a particular game looks.... like duh?????????
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1) True, but no one ever debated this.
2) First off, refurbished doesn't mean *used*. Second, no one mentioned anything about buying refurbished stuff 3 or 4 years into the PS4's life cycle. You're just arguing stuff no one said.
3) You seem to be less knowledgable on this topic. Mostly all AAA games that are released as multiplatform titles are release as $50 dollar games as opposed to $60 on the PC. Just take a look at Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation and the Borderlands Prequel on Steam if you don't believe me.
You can buy used games on consoles, this is true. However, some times the games are more expensive used than they are new (I.E. Metroid Prime Trilogy, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc.). To be fair, even on multiplatform titles, many times they are only 3 - 5 dollars cheaper than getting them brand new. With that said, you'd still be paying more money. Lets not forget tax (I don't pay tax when I buy my games on Steam).
Your last paragraph assumes that we're arguing points in which no one ever mentioned by you, and also assumes that half of what you said above is true, and it's not. So, no need for me to reply to it.
