Also, I know I have to properly reread his reasoning, but Hylian didn't vote for Yoshiya, and I am curious on who he wanted to focus on.

I didn't like how much Hylian pushed for Khan to believe in his role (and judging by my role interaction I would just be as confirmed as him by that anyway) - it is a fact that Khan got unreliable results and thus it should be save to assume it is not reliable

Making myself a small collection of posts I want to go over: (please consider post id for chronological order)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6755823

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6758322

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6758320

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6758319

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6758524

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6758519

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6762850

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6762740

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6762730

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6760798

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6760779

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6760751

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6764866

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6764819

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6764800

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6762856

sorry for the text wall, but I really think I will find the piece I need in those posts, Hylian has played way more intelligent than his scummates so far...

Also, Astro played horrible as a bomb...

To be fair, there's nothing to gain from visiting anybody at this point - besides, I asked to visit myself last night...that's kind of strange

Well, I visited you too D: just that I didn't think you would visit yourself and prof has been lax on the PM...

Alright, Stefl, you visited Radish, did you see anyone? And Imp, who did you visit?

I went to Clyde's house last night. My thinking was that with Khan having hammer immunity and the town plan in place for me to protect myself the best option for scum would be to go after master hand who's done a great job in cornering scum so far in the game.

As for who looks to be scum right now I have to agree that it's got to be Stefl or possibly Hylian. For my money, I know that Hylian has proved his ability at least once when he found out I was the doctor. It's been stressful trying to stay alive since but he has been pushing Khan as the cop all game. Stefl on the other hand has been more interested in messing up the cop scans and generally muddled Night actions all game long. I don't remember how he helped with catching Yoshiya, I remember that being a case of Khan scanning him and finding a balance board more than anything. I could be missing something Stefl did to convince Khan to scan Yoshia though?

It's a short Day so we got to get moving. I would be fine with lynching Stefl .

I'll throw in a placeholder if needed.

I pointed out the discrepancy in Yoshiya's claim as well got him messed up in his claims about visiting spurge/visiting two targets and such.

Stefl's also got the voting pattern, notably. He at least voted for Yoshiya, while Hylian has still yet to vote for a scum.

Hylian could be scum and still telling full-truth about his power, he was a tracker for the scum team two games ago, he should know how to play the role well enough.

I'm getting sick and tired of explaining the Yoshiya situation, but fine. Again, with Yoshiya, I wanted to vote for him, but earlier in the day Nickles said there was no need to hurry and I didn't want to rush the day, and by the time I decided to vote it was too late and I would have taken the hammer, which I didn't want to do.

But I played my part in getting Yoshiya lynched as well. There was a discrepancy between Spurge and Khan. They couldn't both be telling the truth. If spurge was telling the truth that Khan didn't target anyone that night, and I was scum, I could have saved Yoshiya just by saying that spurge was telling the truth. In fact, if I'm scum, I'd have had no reason not to. Me saying that spurge was right about tracking Khan wouldn't have saved spurge, because he was already seemingly caught in a web of lies. It would, however, have given me the credit of having seen the tracker, and would've had a great chance of saving Yoshiya. Conversely, by telling you that he didn't visit Khan, I doomed Yoshiya, and didn't even take advantage of the town credit by voting for him. Again, if I'm scum, I fucking suck at this. I could have helped my credibility at very little risk, and possibly saved a scum buddy, but chose to support the town cop, which did nothing for my credibility because a watcher read and a cop read most definitely makes the voyeur read obsolete. All I did was help reduce the amount of confusion and ensure a scum kill. That's not just shitty scum play, that's fucking suicidal.

If we look at Stefl, on the other hand, we see a clear motive for him to claim what he did, and high risk to try to save Yoshiya. By saying that he blocked any manipulative roles from reaching spurge, he forced town to either decide he was lying, or that spurge was lying. By saying he saw Yoshiya, he gets his claim believed, spurge gets discredited, and Khan scans him and gets discredited as well when Stefl interferes with the scan. So much to gain there for Stefl. On the other hand, if he doesn't mention seeing Yoshiya, then when Yoshiya flips as a redirector and spurge as town, it casts suspicion back on Stefl, as spurge could easily be telling the truth if Stefl were lying about lightning-rod-watching spurge. By saying he saw Yoshiya, he gets some of the credit and no one suspects him. He almost has to do it, really. Sure, scum loses a manipulative role, but they have another one with Stefl. And correct me if I'm wrong, but at the beginning of the day Khan hadn't said what he'd scanned Yoshiya as yet, so at that point, saying that he saw Yoshiya could give Yoshiya credit to make a claim as a town busdriver, except that claim was botched. So Stefl saying he saw Yoshiya gives Yoshiya a better chance of claiming, but also gives Stefl credit if Yoshiya was ever caught, which he was later that day by Khan.

I really don't know what else to say to you guys. I have no motive to do what I did if I were scum, while Stefl does. I've tried to help town, while Stefl's claimed actions did the most damage to spurge's reputation. If I hadn't believed Stefl back then, I wouldn't have voted for spurge, because I confirmed that he successfully tracked Imp. It was only because Stefl's actions proved that spurge had to be lying that I voted spurge. My voting record is really unfortunate, but I made a lot of mistakes. I tunneled Khan, but both Nickles and Astro saw my logic. It was a mistake, but it lead to me clearing the cop. I voted Smeags, but really, most people did. It was mostly some more inactive players and the doctor/psychologist that had already scanned Smeags as not SK that chose not to vote for Smeags. I waited too long in voting for Yoshiya, and now it's haunting me forever. You have no idea how much it sucks for me, having to explain that over and over again, and being suspected for letting the hammer immunity go to someone who needed it more, or at least who I thought needed it more. I voted for spurge, but again, most of town did, and while maybe spurge was a hidden miller, I'm more inclined to think that Stefl manipulated the cop scan, because that makes more sense than hidden miller. As for Astro, I did say that we should wait on him, but town was leaning towards him so I just went with it.

Please guys, see reason here. I've no reason to act this way if I'm scum. There's an explanation with Stefl that would explain how spurge could be telling the truth without prof being a huge bastard mod. Stefl is your scum.