casuals - well in pal regions love sing star, buzz and eye toy. so it does have the market to sell fir casuals - in pal only j/k

 I know this, but what I was trying to say was that the PS3 should go after the market it's secondary functions intended, the movie market. It's so much larger than the video game market that it will only help the PS3. Add on to that that anyone with a brain would know that the PS3 is a game machine too, and there you go. 

With everything going digital in 2009, chances are people will pick up new TVs, instead of just those converters, so the argument everyone uses, "Blu ray requires you to get a new tv in order to reap its' benefits".....that will be moot. 

Basically, HD will become mainstream, Blu ray is shaping up to be the next DVD, and that only supplements PS3 sales, seeing how it's one of the cheapest players out.

However, I think I may have misconstrued something casuals. But if casuals really are the mass market, as you say, then yes Blu ray will be enough, because BD will become the standard soon. 

No chance the games on PS3 appeal more to hardcore gamers and Sony fans and the price of the console is definitely an issue.

Hard to say. The PS2's DVD player wasn't infact a big selling feature, and DVD players were already 100 and below when it came out. Those DVD players were also way better as the PS2's were at displaying the PS2's the PS2's output being pretty horrible.

People try and look back at it and say it was a big feature now... but it really wasn't and was mostly just a neat coincidence for kids who didn't have it hooked up to their main TVs.

I gotta think most people, at least in the USA would be selfconsious spending over a thousand dollars on HDTVs and a Sound System and then have they Blu-ray player be a videogame system.

I'd expect a lot of people to perfer stand alones even if it was inferior just out of vanity. Which is all i imagine that would save Sony from the other Blu-ray makers to lower their pricepoints below the PS3s.

A PS3 afterall is way more expensive to make then a regular Blu-ray player.


That's all just for the movie casuals who are brought in because of blu-ray.  That doesn't even take into account the new casuals, the sports casuals or most of the biggest group, the "i only buy a couple games casual."

Interesting point.  While the PS2 could (and is) hooked up to the secondary TVs, and thus out of the way of the main family/guest area, how many casuals are going to buy a large flatscreen HD TV for that area, and then assign the PS3 to an individual/gaming area with its own large flatscreen HD TV?  

Now Sony is rumored to be coming out with a slimline PS3.  (Perhaps looking like this:

http://www.t3.com/news/sony-playstation3-slim-and-lite?=35165    )

but is that small enough to be 'out of sight', especially for the Japanese market?  Again, speaking only of casuals, not of more hardcore gamers who might load down their primary TV with every electronic device known to man and a few others as well.  ;) 

@Fastrabbit09
Can you make difference in Mp3 packed with bitrate of 256/320 kb/s versus cd-quality audio with normal speakers/earphones ?

Agreed with Hd-part of you post

@MikeB
Do you realize that not everybody isn't hooked/connected to the net ?
And will not pay for it unless they have enough use for it.

And like The Ghost of RubangB said: "casuals like OFFLINE multiplayer, so you can play the game with your family. Casuals don't go online unless it's for Snood or e-mail."

What's odd is that I don't see a spike in PS3 games. Its the usual Xbox360/Wii in North America, but I haven't seen a PS3 game break into the top 5, even with the increased console sales. Is it a possibility that the PS3 will be a PSP whereby there will be good HW sales, but poor SW sales?

@Stever89

With normal earphones/speakers ?
Audioquality suffers in them so much versus those 1k and up costing ones.
With those speakers i can understand but not with normal speakers.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1159684,00.asp
I take that these people were not audiophiles.
(Couldn't find any recent test ,from reputable sites, with mp3 vs cd-da tests)

The difference between HD and SD is more obvious than Mp3 at 320kbs vs Cd-audio. (Given that screen is big enough :p )

 is that a troll job ? or are you honestly asking.

 look at +million sellers on PS3 should be telling enough.