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DonFerrari said:


No problem with your opinion... just that FF VII going to PS and never having a FF main entry on Nintendo (besides the remakes that were already on Ninty before) have no correlation to this case.

And yes Swery could have choose because of Kinect, or because he believed it would sell better on X1 because it sold better on X360, or because MS paid some money or helped with some details (being the publisher it is quite certain that they paid the bills)... just said that the "fairness" on the analysis isn't about being fair to one side or another (as I agree it wasn't fair on Square part to alienate Ninty fanbase on FF after 6 iteractions, but it was fair on nintendo for not coming to terms with square... and seeing how bad the relations were with mostly all other 3rd parties I can't put the blame on Square here), the "fairness" in the case of DP sales is just regarding that it isn't smart to analyse completely different set of data or condition without considering the differences. But as you said, even if almost all niche done better on PS3, maybe this game would do better on X360 even if they released at the same time not with 3y delay, it isn't possible to confirm.


I admitted before that PS tend to sell better niche titles than MS, but maybe that wasn't simply the case with DP, any other way around. That pushed Swery to put D4 on new MS platform (which judging sales might not have been the best option).

 

Maybe his mistakes were:

a) Not making it multiplatform

b) Should have released it on 360 instead of Xbox One

 

I thought the FF example would be a good comparison, though...



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>Japanese game released exclusive for an american-centric machine
>Game of a niche/experimental genre released exclusive for a brand that,historically, only sells shooter and sport's blockbusters.
>No marketing
>Kinect game


I don't think this is MS fault,the dev should know where they were getting into.



Wright said:
DonFerrari said:


No problem with your opinion... just that FF VII going to PS and never having a FF main entry on Nintendo (besides the remakes that were already on Ninty before) have no correlation to this case.

And yes Swery could have choose because of Kinect, or because he believed it would sell better on X1 because it sold better on X360, or because MS paid some money or helped with some details (being the publisher it is quite certain that they paid the bills)... just said that the "fairness" on the analysis isn't about being fair to one side or another (as I agree it wasn't fair on Square part to alienate Ninty fanbase on FF after 6 iteractions, but it was fair on nintendo for not coming to terms with square... and seeing how bad the relations were with mostly all other 3rd parties I can't put the blame on Square here), the "fairness" in the case of DP sales is just regarding that it isn't smart to analyse completely different set of data or condition without considering the differences. But as you said, even if almost all niche done better on PS3, maybe this game would do better on X360 even if they released at the same time not with 3y delay, it isn't possible to confirm.


I admitted before that PS tend to sell better niche titles than MS, but maybe that wasn't simply the case with DP, any other way around. That pushed Swery to put D4 on new MS platform (which judging sales might not have been the best option).

 

Maybe his mistakes were:

a) Not making it multiplatform

b) Should have released it on 360 instead of Xbox One

 

I thought the FF example would be a good comparison, though...


As I said, since we can't be sure on the alternative, yes it is possible that DP would sell better on X360 even if released together... D4 would be harder to sell better solely on X1 because PS4 have twice the install base and is ahead in USA by 750k consoles (or like 20%).

I agree on the mistakes, but if MS hold the financials part them that would be a small mistake for MS (probably not a lot of money lost, but at least got an exclusive to boast and differentiate).

On the FF example perhaps I understood wrong, or you didn't know Ninty made the blunder on relationship. Anyway my bad for being unecessarily agressive on disagreeing. But for the sake of conversatition please explain better what you tough was similar on the FF case (I can just think that Square took a giant gamble if deciding on exclusivity with 0 compensation from Sony or that sony bet high and expend a lot to make PS1 desirable).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Muffin31190 said:
gamers ... we want new IP's but will not purchase them
*sigh*


Unless you put millions on the marketing push and overhype us, them we will blame you of underdelivering.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Aerys said:
They made the deal for the wrong console, and with the wrong company, thanks to Microsoft, we are fucked, we paid the first part and we will never get a sequel ...


Do you even own the game? 



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

This is the first I have heard of it.



"I think it will be the HDS"-Me in regards to Nintendo's next handheld.

DonFerrari said:


As I said, since we can't be sure on the alternative, yes it is possible that DP would sell better on X360 even if released together... D4 would be harder to sell better solely on X1 because PS4 have twice the install base and is ahead in USA by 750k consoles (or like 20%).

I agree on the mistakes, but if MS hold the financials part them that would be a small mistake for MS (probably not a lot of money lost, but at least got an exclusive to boast and differentiate).

On the FF example perhaps I understood wrong, or you didn't know Ninty made the blunder on relationship. Anyway my bad for being unecessarily agressive on disagreeing. But for the sake of conversatition please explain better what you tough was similar on the FF case (I can just think that Square took a giant gamble if deciding on exclusivity with 0 compensation from Sony or that sony bet high and expend a lot to make PS1 desirable).


Yeah, sorry if I was too blunt replying to you too :)



OttoniBastos said:

>Japanese game released exclusive for an american-centric machine
>Game of a niche/experimental genre released exclusive for a brand that,historically, only sells shooter and sport's blockbusters.
>No marketing
>Kinect game


I don't think this is MS fault,the dev should know where they were getting into.

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~ F.L.W



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank