He just said that none of the gods from PSAS had the power to change the universe, I just proved him wrong. Also what's keeping Kratos from bringing the threads of fate? But then again, resetting tge universe doesn't end the fight.

Zeus doesn't die by Kratos's bare hands. Pandora got sacrificed, thus giving Kratos tge power of Pandora.

sonic can't use Chaos emeralds when he's dead. Also that would require that Sonic has the Chaos Emeralds, which Correct me if I'm wrong, the Sonic at hand doesn't.

Did you completely ignore my points? Sonic would be forced to dance because of the Groovitron, and therefore can't run anywhere, leavibg him to be killed.

Ratchet doesn't need his spaceship, but for the record, Jak has a gun that creates supernovas, which is way more powerful than merely blowing a star up. There's a huge scientific difference, but I won't bother to go through that.

And again, you think Ratchet will just stand there doing nothing, while Samus attacks him. You're completely ignoring all the counters I give. Samus will be forced to dance. Samus got nukes? Well so does Ratchet, and again, Jak can create frickin supernovas. Ratchet also has quite a few other weapons with the power to kill Samus. Heck, he could use the Zodiac gadget and simply vaporize her(and the rest of the SSB). Samus can't splatter Ratchet due to his shield, and Samus is also forced to dance anyways like I said. Ratchet is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more powerful than Samus.

The fact that the fate of threads is destroyed and the fact that it's a location. Not a weapon. If we do that, we allow locations for Nintendo characters to use.

Kratos used the power of pandora to save the world, not kill Zeus. Did you also ignore the point that if Athena didn't interveine in GoW2, Kratos would have killed Zeus without Pandora

Sonic moves at mach 5 to lightspeed, he can literally speed blitz the entire roster of PS-AS before they can think. This means that Sonic can kill them before they do anything at all. I think you ignored his speed. The groovitron will do nothing if it's too slow.

Jak's weapon is called a supernova. It's just a name. If it was truly a super nova, the planet would be destroyed, along with several others. Yet, we don't see this anywhere. Furthermore, Samus has the sunburst so it's irrelevant. Nevermind that Samus with the speed booster is faster than anyone in PS-AllStars. She can splatter them with her speed before they even think. Also, Rosalina can protect anyone from universe busting attacks or less.

 Samus's weapons are easily capable of vaporizing and she can tank this with the Varia suit. This is ignoring her gravity suit and the other suits. I never ignored your counters. Really Ratchet would be doing nothing because he's too slow. Samus, as I said before, moves at mach 1.2 to mach 5(Sonic moves at mach 5 to lightspeed so you need to factor him) with her speed booster. She can literally paste the other team before they can think. She curbstomps Ratchet.

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The fact that the fate of threads is destroyed and the fact that it's a location. Not a weapon. If we do that, we allow locations for Nintendo characters to use.

Kratos used the power of pandora to save the world, not kill Zeus. Did you also ignore the point that if Athena didn't interveine in GoW2, Kratos would have killed Zeus without Pandora

Sonic moves at mach 5 to lightspeed, he can literally speed blitz the entire roster of PS-AS before they can think. This means that Sonic can kill them before they do anything at all. I think you ignored his speed. The groovitron will do nothing if it's too slow.

Jak's weapon is called a supernova. It's just a name. If it was truly a super nova, the planet would be destroyed, along with several others. Yet, we don't see this anywhere. Furthermore, Samus has the sunburst so it's irrelevant. Nevermind that Samus with the speed booster is faster than anyone in PS-AllStars. She can splatter them with her speed before they even think. Also, Rosalina can protect anyone from universe busting attacks or less.

 Samus's weapons are easily capable of vaporizing and she can tank this with the Varia suit. This is ignoring her gravity suit and the other suits. I never ignored your counters. Really Ratchet would be doing nothing because he's too slow. Samus, as I said before, moves at mach 1.2 to mach 5(Sonic moves at mach 5 to lightspeed so you need to factor him) with her speed booster. She can literally paste the other team before they can think. She curbstomps Ratchet.

Kratos alone can kill the entire Smash cast, and Raiden, Dante and Big Daddy would make it even easier.

Again, Ratchet's shield (which he could easily activate before the fight), protects him from Sonic, and the moment Sonic even approaches him, Sonic will be hit by electricity, so everyone standing close to Ratchet would also be protected from Sonic.

Oh boy. You see, when we're debating about videogame characters, and they're abilities, then you can't use real life logic to counter it. Weapons in video games don't normally damage the environments as they should. Would you also say that Sonic can't run at lightspeed vecause that's impossible in real life? Or that Samus doesn't have nukes, because they don't destroy the entire area?

Samus's weapons are easily capable of vaporizing? That's good to here, certainly helps my case. Doesn't matter what suit she uses, because it would vaporize along with her. Samus can't hurt Ratchet because of his shield, and in 1 second the Groovitron will have activated and makes her dance.

Oh, I just remembered, Ratchet could use the mega leech bomb and literally suck the life out of the enemies.

Again, Ratchet's shield (which he could easily activate before the fight), protects him from Sonic, and the moment Sonic even approaches him, Sonic will be hit by electricity, so everyone standing close to Ratchet would also be protected from Sonic.

Oh boy. You see, when we're debating about videogame characters, and they're abilities, then you can't use real life logic to counter it. Weapons in video games don't normally damage the environments as they should. Would you also say that Sonic can't run at lightspeed vecause that's impossible in real life? Or that Samus doesn't have nukes, because they don't destroy the entire area?

Samus's weapons are easily capable of vaporizing? That's good to here, certainly helps my case. Doesn't matter what suit she uses, because it would vaporize along with her. Samus can't hurt Ratchet because of his shield, and in 1 second the Groovitron will have activated and makes her dance.

Oh, I just remembered, Ratchet could use the mega leech bomb and literally suck the life out of the enemies.

Sure the Supernova it's just a name, no? But you didn't see in the video I gave you that it wiped out all the enemies without leaving a trace. Sure, how unpractical would it be to carry a weapon that destroys a planet after one use?

As shown here, the Groovitron acts in less than a second after being thrown. Enemies bigger than samus, even main bosses, succumb to it leaving them completely exposed to any attack. Also, Ratchet can't get touched when he has his Tesla Barrier on, which activates instantly. That'll shock Sonic back and make him lose all of his coins, thus leaving him with one hit to die. Surely, Sonic and Samus will have to stop to dance even if they go at supersonic speeds. Then, he can just trap both of them with the Mag-Net Launcher just to make sure they won't escape and use his weapon of choice to explode them.

Edit: and check the Groovitron video by 7:49. If I recall correclly, Samus can curl herself into a ball and spin around on fast speeds. Not even the enemy at 7:49 is vulnerable to the Groovitron.

The problem with ratchets weapons is you'd have to hit the characters for them to work. Good luck.

Also, Samus' nukes do destroy everything. The Super Missile shakes the screen whenever it is fired, the powerbomb disintegrates everything in the room, the speed booster goes through everything and the hyper beam literally destroys anything in its path. 

Except Sonic would still be able to hit him before he hits him.

First of all, you claimed that the weapon shoots supernovas. I countered it saying that it should destroy planets. The only proof you have that it's a supernova is that his weapon is called by that name I never said it was impossible. I said they can't do it. Kirby also has a move called supernova, and it doesn't have super nova qualities. Furthermore, the Descriptions of their abilities say that Samus can shoot nukes or Sonic can run at mach 5 can do this. Whether this is in the manual or in-game data.

Doh, meant to say her powebomb easily vaporizes others. This does no damage to Samus and she can even heal from it.  The point about her speed is that she can kill Ratchet before he does anything. As well as Sonic. I don't think you guys understand, mach 5 is about 1701m/s. Unless they're really far, they can be speed blitzed before they do anything. In a second, Sonic can go as far as 1701m or 1.701km. Anything less, Sonic can paste him before they do anything. If any action takes a second, Sonic would already be there. Of course, this is assuming he goes mach 5 instead of higher speeds.

Samus literally faced life sucking enemies called Metroids. Nothing new.