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Aura7541 on 17 September 2014
DonFerrari said:
Aura7541 said:

This is my major gripe with Kaz and the rest of Sony's executive board. I just don't see any sense of immediacy from them and it's hurting the company. They should've done away with PC and TV a long time ago. Heck, they haven't really gotten rid of their TV business which continues to struggle. Same goes for their smartphones. It wasn't until now that their phones will be supported by Sprint and Verizon. That is something that should've been done way earlier because otherwise, they wouldn've have lost as much money as they did now.

I don't want them to get rid of their TV or phones (I only buy then and like) but they seriously need to make it profitable, even if they just concentrate on real expensive products, with limited models and sales, or if they make Bravia top brand and just make all lower end elsewhere just using their quality standard (they tried it in China and decided to stop as the chinese had robbed most of the technology they got their hands on - in the case of tv). Their camera, they could just focus on digital cheap cameras (I don't care about them) and forget about alpha and their top products, they are reallllllly bellow Canon and Nikon and their slight cheaper price don't make for it... But that is just me as a happy consumer of their product... they as bussinessmen must decide how to certainly make it profitable or dump it in the lass wastefull way, and fast.

I really like Sony's smartphones, so I hope they can find a way to make profits from them. The Xperia Z3 is far superior to the iPhone 6+, but more people are going to buy the iPhone because well.... it's an iPhone. -_-" As for TV, I feel that they should just stick with high-end TV's. I'm not that impressed with their lower ends. Those luminous blacks are a huge turnoff on their cheaper models. I don't know much about the professional camera market, but I've heard that Sony's cameras are good. I agree, though, that they should focus on cheap digitals since they're also really good, too.



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Teeqoz on 17 September 2014
kowenicki said:
Teeqoz said:
kowenicki said:

You may be correct, you may be way off.

But, so? again... how is this relevant to the topic at hand?


It's just as relevant as what you and that other user has been discussing. You and that other user were debating this, and I decided to join in. Got a problem with that.


so your view on an asset is to be used to overirde an offical and legal transaction that will appear on official financial releases andearnings statements?

ok then. if you say so.


What does that have to do with the relevance of my post?

What does your lecture about financial transactions have to do with a joke saying that a  2 BN dollars loss is at least better than buying Mojang for 2,5 BN dollars. Dude, cheer up, you don't actually HAVE to take a joke regarding financials as a serious financial statement on what's the better deal -_-

And by what will appear on financial releases and earnings, what if I buy, say Nintendo (first example that fell into my head) for 1 trillion dollars. Does that suddenly make Nintendo worth 1 trillion dollars? No, obviously it doesn't.



DonFerrari on 17 September 2014
Aura7541 said:
DonFerrari said:
Aura7541 said:

This is my major gripe with Kaz and the rest of Sony's executive board. I just don't see any sense of immediacy from them and it's hurting the company. They should've done away with PC and TV a long time ago. Heck, they haven't really gotten rid of their TV business which continues to struggle. Same goes for their smartphones. It wasn't until now that their phones will be supported by Sprint and Verizon. That is something that should've been done way earlier because otherwise, they wouldn've have lost as much money as they did now.

I don't want them to get rid of their TV or phones (I only buy then and like) but they seriously need to make it profitable, even if they just concentrate on real expensive products, with limited models and sales, or if they make Bravia top brand and just make all lower end elsewhere just using their quality standard (they tried it in China and decided to stop as the chinese had robbed most of the technology they got their hands on - in the case of tv). Their camera, they could just focus on digital cheap cameras (I don't care about them) and forget about alpha and their top products, they are reallllllly bellow Canon and Nikon and their slight cheaper price don't make for it... But that is just me as a happy consumer of their product... they as bussinessmen must decide how to certainly make it profitable or dump it in the lass wastefull way, and fast.

I really like Sony's smartphones, so I hope they can find a way to make profits from them. The Xperia Z3 is far superior to the iPhone 6+, but more people are going to buy the iPhone because well.... it's an iPhone. -_-" As for TV, I feel that they should just stick with high-end TV's. I'm not that impressed with their lower ends. Those luminous blacks are a huge turnoff on their cheaper models. I don't know much about the professional camera market, but I've heard that Sony's cameras are good. I agree, though, that they should focus on cheap digitals since they're also really good, too.


I think we think alike... Never tried a cheaper Sony TV since on that would be better go Samsung... but on the higher end in Brazil they are quite closely priced (offcourse removing bigger than 60" and 4k that are a lot more expensive, maybe because LG and Samsung don't care about selling high end on 60" and 4K... altough in stores LG 80" 4K is fucking gorgeous, but I wouldn't ever buy it because I'm aware of its quality).

Never saw much professional photographs using Sony equip, maybe a enthusiast at most...

Professional grade equipment

Canon 1DX 6.800k in Amazon

Nikon D4S 6.500k in Amazon

Sony Alpha SLT-A99V 2300 in Amazon

Completely different grades.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 17 September 2014
Teeqoz said:
kowenicki said:
Teeqoz said:

It's just as relevant as what you and that other user has been discussing. You and that other user were debating this, and I decided to join in. Got a problem with that.


so your view on an asset is to be used to overirde an offical and legal transaction that will appear on official financial releases andearnings statements?

ok then. if you say so.


What does that have to do with the relevance of my post?

What does your lecture about financial transactions have to do with a joke saying that a  2 BN dollars loss is at least better than buying Mojang for 2,5 BN dollars. Dude, cheer up, you don't actually HAVE to take a joke regarding financials as a serious financial statement on what's the better deal -_-

And by what will appear on financial releases and earnings, what if I buy, say Nintendo (first example that fell into my head) for 1 trillion dollars. Does that suddenly make Nintendo worth 1 trillion dollars? No, obviously it doesn't.


And let's say when you put 1T to buy Nintendo, the shareholders, owners or what kind of control the company have, pick that money and leave... so you effectvelly tossed 1T at it, because that money won't stay in company to be used for investiments, etc...

But as he said MS makes 24B quarterly so they can toss as much as they want and we can't talk about it, we must limit ourselves to say sony is doomed because it still bleeding money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Seece on 17 September 2014

I love how people think they're in any sort of position to value Mojang, when they don't have the first clue how much the company is worth.



 

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stuffmakesmelol on 17 September 2014

$2 billion+ loss?! I don't want to see Sony go away, now I am highly concerned if Sony will even cease to exist in a few years. Maybe its coming true, Sony may becoming a dedicated gaming company (Involved with movies, as le Sphee-deir maon monies) is coming true.....



DonFerrari on 17 September 2014
Seece said:
I love how people think they're in any sort of position to value Mojang, when they don't have the first clue how much the company is worth.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304747404579446811628209436

I guess 128M market value and 325M in annual revenue are quite less than 2.5B. But Maybe I'm wrong.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Pavolink on 17 September 2014
NiKKoM said:
spurgeonryan said:
Another thread where I do not know where people are quoting me. I have been in here a half dozen times and keep being quoted.

don't worry.. 3 of them says "I love you ryan" and the other one is "Marry me ryan"


Then all of them quotes are from you.



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DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile


Seece on 17 September 2014
DonFerrari said:
Seece said:
I love how people think they're in any sort of position to value Mojang, when they don't have the first clue how much the company is worth.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304747404579446811628209436

I guess 128M market value and 325M in annual revenue are quite less than 2.5B. But Maybe I'm wrong.


You are, because that isn't how it's worked out, clearly.



 

DonFerrari on 17 September 2014
Seece said:
DonFerrari said:
Seece said:
I love how people think they're in any sort of position to value Mojang, when they don't have the first clue how much the company is worth.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304747404579446811628209436

I guess 128M market value and 325M in annual revenue are quite less than 2.5B. But Maybe I'm wrong.


You are, because that isn't how it's worked out, clearly.

And how is it valueted then??? Show us how you get to a 2.5B value and return?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."