Ok then... let's celebrate that Sony spent 500M less than MS for basically the same effect in their gaming division.

Quite depressing, too. MS actually nailed it with the Zune, but alas... I was actually jealous when my parents got one while I was stuck with the 1st gen iPod Nano.

I think the Ps2 made pretty fast money (lets say after few years of release) but the thing people like to compare is that GameCube for nintendo made good money while that was considered a failure (ofcourse they always forget that GBA was the profit system that time and probably has lead Sony trying to create a handheld to make easy money)...

You know why the post was made right? Just pretending there were no R&D...

But on their reports (billions of Yens)

Year            Revenue             Profit

2012 805 29.3

2013 707 1.7

2014 979 -8

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2013/shr/pdf/AnnualReport_E.pdf

We can't have a precise picture of MS (and thir loss on gaming due to R&D) because they merge the numbers with other products (like sony have done putting Vaio together with consoles).

Yes I know... was just saying that for the last quarter financial/insurance hadn't done great for once, but gaming had a nice figure... of course in the annual report made on march 2014 the results were good for financial and bad for gaming... altough I expect good results for gaming on March 2015.

Seems to be right. What I know that Sony took a loss on each PS2 sold. Also, they are expecting the PS4 to be more profitable than the PS2.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9712478/sony-ps4-overtake-ps2-profits/

There is no free cash, but I understand you are saying like money that have no cost (no interest), but that money could also be used for other things, but won't enter on this. And I know MS won't get a dump on their shares because of this investment.

And I know the loss of 2B for marking down+losses are bad. This is why I said I was joking for VXIII... but in my second post I was more serious on the effect that Sony lossing 2B (on parts not related to gaming) and MS investing 2.5B (that we know is less aimed to X1 as it's for general products like windowsphone and other things) will have the same general effect in gaming. Don't need to try and pick any further meaning from it.

That's good, at least. The faster Sony expands the PS4 userbase, the better.

It would be a lot easier to get your point if you formatted those columns right. Try using a table. But like kowenicki said, what does MS have to do with this? The point is that gaming is not Sony's breadwinner, and never has been.

So when we discuss if gaming division makes money or not for Sony it doesn't matter if we can know how gaming performs for MS just because they make massive money?? That is the same as I having an IQ of 200 and you a IQ of 100, or that I earn 100k a year and you 30k (not saying any of them is truth) but it doesn't matter because your country have a bigger GDP than mine...

The relevance is that in 2012 Sony with less revenue put 29B yen of profit in gaming (that aint small) but then put almost nill on 2013 and loss a little on 2014 (even though with higher revenue, and we now PS3 and PSV costed less to produce in mid 2013-mid 2014) so it is evident that R&D was the great cause (even more when console is being sold for small profit, all 1st party games sold more than 1M, PS+ double the base). But you want to say their gaming division is in bad shape by cherrypicking the numbers... So if we had specific numbers on Xbox profits (with X1/PS4 releasing around the same time, and for X360 had similar sales of HW and SW than PS3) we could see that they also would have a big drop. Not dragging MS on this, just comparing...