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eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
DerNebel said:
amak11 said:
chapset said:
All the people that were gloating a few backs about how the wii U was destroying the X1 now are pretending numbers don't matter anymore lol, going full offtopic when it was pretty clear since last shipment numbers from Nintendo that the wii U was overtracked here


It's clear the Xbox One is overtracked too, same with the PS4. This whole site overtracks you just have to be liberal with your guesses and numbers. 

Talk about pulling things out of your ass, give us one solid piece of evidence that the X1 or PS4 are overtracked on a worldwide basis.

Give us one good piece of evidence that its not(Not the ps4, soy anounced that it is undertracked here). All of this is guesstimates, there are no official numbers for EU, so either can be over or undertracked.



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eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
DerNebel said:
DolPhanTendo said:
DerNebel said:

OMG! Go look at a map and see that the world is bigger than the US and then compare shipment numbers to what vgchartz is showing. Just stop please.

LOL Go look at the original post he only talks about U.S. and the U.K. Plus i think WiiU in Japan is doing better then the PS4 but side step that country for your skewed stats.

Um, no offense but you have so absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The "overtracked since June" comment was regarding worldwide, that's a topic that has been discussed on here for a couple weeks now. Also if anyone is sidestepping then it's you by bringing in this utterly pointless Japan comparison.

This wonderfull argument again. That you belive without any official report that the number of stock is to low is completly your opinion and will never change my mind. The numbers we received for the august npd are alsso not oficial, they are a rumored leak, althou they make sense, I see no reason for the wii u to be doing so high in the US with no game releases. But nothing that is hapening for august is any indication of how things where before june. Where that to be true the x1 was prooven to be overtracked by tak and he numbers where adjusted for a couple of months, should we asume it was overtracked for ever and remove numbers for every month? And like it was said before, the wii u doing worst in the US means nothing compared to EU so seeces and your arguments have zero validity. There are countrys that report the x1 is not selling like germany and france and the wii u is ahead still, is it to hard to belive the others are also on the wii u's favor?



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tak13 on 12 September 2014
eva01beserk said:

Give us one good piece of evidence that its not(Not the ps4, soy anounced that it is undertracked here). All of this is guesstimates, there are no official numbers for EU, so either can be over or undertracked.


hehhehee...there are for Germany(and france i think)remember the official report of 350.000 wii u in Germany,when vgc had it at 285.000



eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
Seece said:
I3LuEI3omI3eR said:

This post makes me laugh. Wii U has been a good 3rd place behind the PS4 and 3DS according to these charts for a while, (maybe in the U.S. XBone selling more, but not globally), but some still are saying it's selling more as a whole...

Except it is, all the data is laid out in the OP.

WiiU is around 35k (15k in US, 12.5k~ in Europe, 8k in Japan, 10% WW = 3.5k) total = 34k~

XB1 sold it's average for the first 3 weeks of August (in US, which is 33k) and then doubled in the last week to 66k to get its 160k US figures. Take into account US is 60% of XB1's market, (hence why it's so hard to believe it's "below" WiiU in Europe, it very likely isn't.).

The figures speak for themselves. 15k a week in the US for WiiU, not gonna be better anywhere else in the world is it.


Because EU and the US are blood brothers and anything that happens to one will happen to the other? If this was true the x1 should be selling like crazzy  over there, but sadly thats not the case and the wii u has been outselling it for a very long time now.

I agree with you that the x1 has to be at least 60% US, but how does that transition to the madden boost? EU, or any other country WW does not care even in the slightest about madden. Lke 90% of all madden sales are in the US alone. So the boost madden got from the US will not translate to anyware else. So now the diference ha to be at least 80% in the US's favor of x1 total ales for the month.



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eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
DerNebel said:
eva01beserk said:
Sure lets asume that the numbers we heard leaked are real.
The x1 bump is due to a free game bundle of a game that only sells in the US. Of course to seece this must mean that it also sold great in europe, for a game that dosent even sell 100k lft in europe.

Lets also compare the new game bundle, on the only place it sells, to a console that has had absolutly nothing for 3 months. This makes a lot of sence.

If the $400 june sku taught us anythng is that when the US expects a discount, they will not buy the console untill that bundle is out, so we could asume that the x1 was selling 15k a week in the US and then sold 115k the last week.

I also see no reason for the wii u to stay up this long based on MK8 alone and a couple of bundles being anounce to come in a couple of weeks. So while being unlikely, the wii u could have sold extremly bad on that last week, since a new bundle was anounced for next month and a big ip just came out for the other consoles. So maybe vgc is on track for august since we dont have the numbers yet for the last week.

One game for the wii u lasted for 3 months doubling the baseline and the x1 has lasted one week with everythiing that came to it and you still think it will sell bad when everything comes this holiday for the wii u? This just shows that nintendo games last a lot more thatn third partys on the x1.

And lastly, one bad month for the wii u and you automatically asume that its confirmed that its been overtracked since june. Well thats the final piece of evidence ovbiously.

Stop this, you're literally one of the last people that refuses to accept that the Wii U is overtracked, even though it's really clear as day.

I hope this tells you how I feel.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM

Edit: Dont know what happened, I tryed to embed th video and did not work. Someone help.



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Seece on 12 September 2014
eva01beserk said:
Seece said:

Except it is, all the data is laid out in the OP.

WiiU is around 35k (15k in US, 12.5k~ in Europe, 8k in Japan, 10% WW = 3.5k) total = 34k~

XB1 sold it's average for the first 3 weeks of August (in US, which is 33k) and then doubled in the last week to 66k to get its 160k US figures. Take into account US is 60% of XB1's market, (hence why it's so hard to believe it's "below" WiiU in Europe, it very likely isn't.).

The figures speak for themselves. 15k a week in the US for WiiU, not gonna be better anywhere else in the world is it.


Because EU and the US are blood brothers and anything that happens to one will happen to the other? If this was true the x1 should be selling like crazzy  over there, but sadly thats not the case and the wii u has been outselling it for a very long time now.

I agree with you that the x1 has to be at least 60% US, but how does that transition to the madden boost? EU, or any other country WW does not care even in the slightest about madden. Lke 90% of all madden sales are in the US alone. So the boost madden got from the US will not translate to anyware else. So now the diference ha to be at least 80% in the US's favor of x1 total ales for the month.

Nope. You use the data you have to come to the most logical conclusion.

That data being US makes up 60% of XB1 sales, and that Europe has always been A) WiiU's weakest region and B) as a result, lower than US.

I didn't calculate the Europe figures from the Madden boost, but from the previous average weekly numbers of 33k in the US. US is not 80% of XB1 sales for the month tho, that's just silly. Canada and rest of Americas are affected by Madden and make up 10% of US numbers.



 

DerNebel on 12 September 2014
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:
amak11 said:
chapset said:
All the people that were gloating a few backs about how the wii U was destroying the X1 now are pretending numbers don't matter anymore lol, going full offtopic when it was pretty clear since last shipment numbers from Nintendo that the wii U was overtracked here


It's clear the Xbox One is overtracked too, same with the PS4. This whole site overtracks you just have to be liberal with your guesses and numbers. 

Talk about pulling things out of your ass, give us one solid piece of evidence that the X1 or PS4 are overtracked on a worldwide basis.

Give us one good piece of evidence that its not(Not the ps4, soy anounced that it is undertracked here). All of this is guesstimates, there are no official numbers for EU, so either can be over or undertracked.

That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on you. If you say that the X1 is overtracked on a global scale then give us indicators of that, just like we did with the Wii U. If you or amak can't do that, then you're pulling things out of your ass simple as that.



eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
Seece said:
eva01beserk said:
Seece said:

Except it is, all the data is laid out in the OP.

WiiU is around 35k (15k in US, 12.5k~ in Europe, 8k in Japan, 10% WW = 3.5k) total = 34k~

XB1 sold it's average for the first 3 weeks of August (in US, which is 33k) and then doubled in the last week to 66k to get its 160k US figures. Take into account US is 60% of XB1's market, (hence why it's so hard to believe it's "below" WiiU in Europe, it very likely isn't.).

The figures speak for themselves. 15k a week in the US for WiiU, not gonna be better anywhere else in the world is it.


Because EU and the US are blood brothers and anything that happens to one will happen to the other? If this was true the x1 should be selling like crazzy  over there, but sadly thats not the case and the wii u has been outselling it for a very long time now.

I agree with you that the x1 has to be at least 60% US, but how does that transition to the madden boost? EU, or any other country WW does not care even in the slightest about madden. Lke 90% of all madden sales are in the US alone. So the boost madden got from the US will not translate to anyware else. So now the diference ha to be at least 80% in the US's favor of x1 total ales for the month.

Nope. You use the data you have to come to the most logical conclusion.

That data being US makes up 60% of XB1 sales, and that Europe has always been A) WiiU's weakest region and B) as a result, lower than US.

I didn't calculate the Europe figures from the Madden boost, but from the previous average weekly numbers of 33k in the US. US is not 80% of XB1 sales for the month tho, that's just silly. Canada and rest of Americas are affected by Madden and make up 10% of US numbers.

It was to my understanding and the data vgc provides week after week, that EU has always been the x1's worst market and the second best market for the wii u. Just look at the homepage every week.

Nowhere outside of the US is madden any popular. Look at this  http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=madden   And I know it says north america in it, but the US is the only country in the world that plays that game, so there is zero interst foor it outside of it and the only people who buy it are americans that are overseas.

Well I have no idea what the rate for it is outside of the week ending the 23 on the homepage, but thats not 60% on it, its 67%. Maybe not what happened on the previous weeks, but that not good for your assuptions. 



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DerNebel on 12 September 2014
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:

Um, no offense but you have so absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The "overtracked since June" comment was regarding worldwide, that's a topic that has been discussed on here for a couple weeks now. Also if anyone is sidestepping then it's you by bringing in this utterly pointless Japan comparison.

This wonderfull argument again. That you belive without any official report that the number of stock is to low is completly your opinion and will never change my mind. The numbers we received for the august npd are alsso not oficial, they are a rumored leak, althou they make sense, I see no reason for the wii u to be doing so high in the US with no game releases. But nothing that is hapening for august is any indication of how things where before june. Where that to be true the x1 was prooven to be overtracked by tak and he numbers where adjusted for a couple of months, should we asume it was overtracked for ever and remove numbers for every month? And like it was said before, the wii u doing worst in the US means nothing compared to EU so seeces and your arguments have zero validity. There are countrys that report the x1 is not selling like germany and france and the wii u is ahead still, is it to hard to belive the others are also on the wii u's favor?

What kind of official report? You're not even making any sense. I suggest you reread that post and try and order your argument a little, cause I'm really having a hard time understanding what you're even trying to get at here.



eva01beserk on 12 September 2014
DerNebel said:
eva01beserk said:
DerNebel said:

Talk about pulling things out of your ass, give us one solid piece of evidence that the X1 or PS4 are overtracked on a worldwide basis.

Give us one good piece of evidence that its not(Not the ps4, soy anounced that it is undertracked here). All of this is guesstimates, there are no official numbers for EU, so either can be over or undertracked.

That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on you. If you say that the X1 is overtracked on a global scale then give us indicators of that, just like we did with the Wii U. If you or amak can't do that, then you're pulling things out of your ass simple as that.


Because you showed a lot of info when debating the wii u was overtracked... Right? We have almost zero evidence of how things are going outside of japan and the US, so I have no info on that, the same way as you have no info to suport your claim. So like I said, an assuption is worth nothing, wich is way I dont give one as fact like you like to do.



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