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Ninsect said:
Yeah this seems obvious enough. I don't think it's a good thing tbh, it might affect the kids' rational thinking


Albert Einstein believed in God until the age of 12. Religion or lack thereof, has no bearing on one's intelligence or ability to rationally think. It's all genetics. If a kid has a 200 IQ, he's going to think rationally no matter what.



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That sounds great. We should be glad when our young kids remain innocent and imaginative a little longer.

Yet another sensationalist title as if it was important for 5 to 6 year olds to distinguish fact from fiction.

Just in case you are young and don't understand child development, the average 5 to 6 year old (kindergartener) is just starting to learn about fact or fiction and isn't expected to be good at telling the difference until a little older.



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Soriku said:
Rawrerer said:
Soriku said:

That's like saying that believing in green grass is a religion. Atheism is certainly not an organized collection of beliefs. All atheism is is the lack of belief in god. That's it.

Your world view is a stereotype.

And again, citation needed for your scientist comment.

Here is the thing about being an atheist that I don't understand. An atheist sees no proof of a God and thus concludes that there isn't one but in order to prove something as fact, one must prove it as so first. So basically, an atheist is no different than a believer because they both believe in something without any factual evidence at all.

The only group that's being logical here, scientifically speaking, are agnostics because they actually believe LIKE a scientist. God may or may not exist but until further proof is given either way, they arent going to commit.



prayformojo said:

Here is the thing about being an atheist that I don't understand. An atheist sees no proof of a God and thus concludes that there isn't one but in order to prove something as fact, one must prove it as so first. So basically, an atheist is no different than a believer because they both believe in something without any factual evidence at all.

The only group that's being logical here, scientifically speaking, are agnostics because they actually believe LIKE a scientist. God may or may not exist but until further proof is given either way, they arent going to commit.

Oh but no matter what you are somebody will criticize it and tell you you're something else.

Theist criticism of atheists:

- So you have absolute faith that there is no god?  You really could be a theist.

Theist criticism of agnostics:

- There is no middle ground.  You either live believing in god or you don't, therefore you are either theist or atheist.

- If you can't be certain, how can you be certain that you are uncertain?

Atheist criticism of agnostics:

- Being on the fence is cowardice.



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Moratorium on the side conversation about probability of god actually existing, theological categories, etc. Has nothing to do with the OP. Wanna discuss those things, PM someone or start your own thread.


Just to clarify what this is about since many have either ignored it or misunderstood. This study is about the influence of religion on children's ability to discern fact from fantasy. Some things of note:



1. Yes, all children are basically blank slates and very trusting of adults.

2. This study shows that religion seems to support the gullibility, rather than instill skepticism or preserve neutrality since the non-religious children showed a much better ability to determine the ideas that might not be true.










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ICStats said:

Oh but no matter what you are somebody will criticize it and tell you you're something else.

Theist criticism of atheists:

- So you have absolute faith that there is no god?  You really could be a theist.

Theist criticism of agnostics:

- There is no middle ground.  You either live believing in god or you don't, therefore you are either theist or atheist.

- If you can't be certain, how can you be certain that you are uncertain?

Atheist criticism of agnostics:

- Being on the fence is cowardice.

Basically, the goal of the human race is simple. We should not strive to eradicate personal belief but rather embrace the different types of beliefs that people have. It's only then, when we evlove to accept differences at a basic, genuine and compassionate level, religious or otherwise, that we can ever truly move towards a common goal and put an end to suffering and war.



prayformojo said:

Basically, the goal of the human race is simple. We should not strive to eradicate personal belief but rather embrace the different types of beliefs that people have. It's only then, when we evlove to accept differences at a basic, genuine and compassionate level, religious or otherwise, that we can ever truly move towards a common goal and put an end to suffering and war.

^This!

Everyone is too busy trying to promote their ideologies that we forget this basic and most simple thing.



prayformojo said:
Soriku said:
Rawrerer said:
Soriku said:

That's like saying that believing in green grass is a religion. Atheism is certainly not an organized collection of beliefs. All atheism is is the lack of belief in god. That's it.

Your world view is a stereotype.

And again, citation needed for your scientist comment.

Here is the thing about being an atheist that I don't understand. An atheist sees no proof of a God and thus concludes that there isn't one but in order to prove something as fact, one must prove it as so first. So basically, an atheist is no different than a believer because they both believe in something without any factual evidence at all.

The only group that's being logical here, scientifically speaking, are agnostics because they actually believe LIKE a scientist. God may or may not exist but until further proof is given either way, they arent going to commit.

It's actually possible to be atheist and agnostic at the same time. Being an atheist means you simply lack belief in a god. You can still lack that belief whilst admitting the possibility that we may yet discover evidence in the future, however, unlikely that may be.



Rawrerer said:
Soriku said:
 


Citation needed.

And here we go again with "derp, atheism is a religion". FYI if you want to make a point you probably shouldn't post bullshit like that.

religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Belief- God does not exist (yes that is a belief because there is no proof to contradict.)

cultural system--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

world views-- Atheists are superior to everyone and enlightened in some way, christians are silly elf whorshippers who contribute nothing to society because no scientist was ever ever ever a christian.

1. It's a lack of belief. Asking for evidence before accepting a philosophical position isn't a belief.

2. That's not an atheistic cultural system. That's different cultural systems adopting atheist views. Do you honestly think communism was an atheist culture and not a political ideology?

3. Atheists tend to have a wide variety of world views. Your sterotypes really don't hold a lot of weight.

4. What's organised about atheists? They're so ridiculously varied in attitudes about everything else that there is no stucture to it.



Scoobes said:
Rawrerer said:

religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Belief- God does not exist (yes that is a belief because there is no proof to contradict.)

cultural system--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

world views-- Atheists are superior to everyone and enlightened in some way, christians are silly elf whorshippers who contribute nothing to society because no scientist was ever ever ever a christian.

1. It's a lack of belief. Asking for evidence before accepting a philosophical position isn't a belief. having no evidence and accepting something as fact is a belief

2. That's not an atheistic cultural system. That's different cultural systems adopting atheist views. Do you honestly think communism was an atheist culture and not a political ideology?  communism????what???

3. Atheists tend to have a wide variety of world views. Your sterotypes really don't hold a lot of weight. Forgot to add troll christian in comment sections.

There are atheist churchs and communities, group meetings around the globe i don't know how you cannot make the connection.. Agnostic means you withhold from making a decision,atheists minds are already made up so no you can not be both.