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I see this has turned into a religious debate. Not surprised, people really love getting off to discussing this topic on the internet. It is the absolute most pointless argument ever XD



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Soriku said:
MTZehvor said:
Seece said:
MTZehvor said:
I'm pretty sure you could say the exact same thing about kids from households that told their kids that the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus exists.

This study is irrelevant unless there's some long term effects on these kids, and I'm going to guess that, just like people who believed in Santa as a kid, that effect is nonexistent.

Not the same, all kids grow up realising that santa ect is not real, probably at an early age too. Everything religious children are taught, are expected to believe for the rest of their lives.

And quite frankly santa clause is easier to believe in than talking animals.

Now you're not even arguing about the study, you're simply arguing about the validity of religion.

Which isn't the point. The point of the study is that religion makes it more difficult for kids to distinguish between what is real and what isn't.

My point is that it may very well do so at ages 5-6, but like the kids who believe in Santa Claus (which many do until six years old), they eventually grow up and gain the ability to distinguish between fiction and fact. If you go out on a street downtown and ask adults from all walks of life (or I guess, in your case, a street in a different country) whether a story about a flying dragon shooting space monsters was real or not, not a single one would say it's true.

Religion doesn't "obscure" adults' ability to distinguish between what's hard to believe and what isn't; I think anyone who believes in the Bible or some other religious book would tell you that it requires a great deal of faith to believe in what's written there. They believe in them knowing full well how improbable it seems, which is the exact opposite of this study. The study is arguing that kids' ability to distinguish probability is being affected, and my point is that by adulthood that effect is gone.


I would imagine there are a good number of people who believe that they're certainly right, in spite of the fact that there are MANY differing belief systems. If it were truly that hard to believe in a religion, I doubt there would be as many religious people as there are now. Religious rationalizations (as fallacious as they may be) make this easy enough.

It isn't "hard" to believe in a religion in that sense; one way would simply be to believe that it's harder to explain how we could exist without a God than explain the supernatural elements in the Bible, for instance. My point is simply that people, if they're being genuine, will acknowledge that it does sound strange to believe in, say, a floating ark containing two of each type of animal in the world. That said, they'll argue that it's easier to believe in that than believe in a world without God.



whatever said:
VXIII said:

Children with imagination have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction. Which is about every child. That's why they are children.

Ummm, what?  Having a vivid imagination has nothing to do with distinguishing fact from fiction.  You must not have kids.

It does. Using the same method of the "study". 5 - 6 years old kids with vivid imagination usually believe what they imagine is true ( unless if they are constantly told that it is not ), tell them three different types of stories, the fictional contains their favorite hero. It would be difficult for them to tell fact from fiction.



Aura7541 said:
Rawrerer said:
 

Early earth models show carbon dioxide and nitrogen (N2) create nitrites, which destroy amino acids as fast as they form. So life starting on earth is pretty bogus and unlikely according to the Miller-Urey experiment which is a pretty old model to begin with.

Even if you get complex organics that is still not RNA and even then, even if you prove life arose from the right conditions that still doesn't disprove Gods hand in it.  Thats why i was saying earlier you can't prove or disprove God using science. I am saying that life and even the universe existing has a far more likely chance if someone is helping it along the way.

Nice try. You took the first sentence out out Wikipedia and left out this important tibit here:

"However, the early Earth may have had significant amounts of iron and carbonate minerals able to neutralize the effects of the nitrites. When Bada performed the Miller-type experiment with the addition of iron and carbonate minerals, the products were rich in amino acids. This suggests the origin of significant amounts of amino acids may have occurred on Earth even with an atmosphere containing carbon dioxide and nitrogen."

The Earth had a lot of iron because of meteors frequently crashing into the planet. Comets, which contain carbonate, also hit Earth often during its infancy. Because the Earth lacked an atmosphere at the time, both types of these spaces rocks easily entered the Earth without burning out.

Also, the burden of proof is on you since the idea of a god or gods were started by no one else, but the people who created it. I may not be able to disprove the existence of a god or gods, but I can definitely disprove THE god you believe in. You are not fooling anyone here...

May have had. Almost all early earth models have no significant iron and carbonite. The reason is the following:
Silica and alumina are the primary compostion of the crust. Heavy materials such as iron move into earths core because of a law called gravity. Secondly if most of the iron was not in the core of earth the lack of a magnetic field would allow radiation to destroy any rna formed. Without all of the other material that earth is composed of earth would lack a atmosphere (also bad).  In a incoming meteor most already bury themselves. And the time that organisms magically arose on them before being covered with topsoil is a mere second in the age of the earth. This is why life arising on earth is unlikely.

If you want to choose a magical way for life to arise from nothing at least choose a meteorite from a different location which is more plausable then arising on earth or an Alien who taylored dna and seeded our planet. Most scientist agree these two theories are way more probable. The alien one though who created the alien?

And your burden of proof taken from Russel teapot is a illogical approach to science. Athiesm is a religion that requires proof not scientific at all. You would not get anywhere in science if you ruled out theories just because you don't have tangable evidence. But just because you don't have proof doesn't mean you can't use statistics to find out whats more probable and everything does better with a helping hand.



jonathanalis said:
a question.
what age should i start to show religion for my children?

For me the age is not a problem, as long as you tell them that it is what you believe in and it might not be the ultimate truth. You should make them feel that they can choose what to believe in when they are ready. the concept of critical thinking is important.



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Soriku said:


Citation needed.

And here we go again with "derp, atheism is a religion". FYI if you want to make a point you probably shouldn't post bullshit like that.

religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Belief- God does not exist (yes that is a belief because there is no proof to contradict.)

cultural system--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

world views-- Atheists are superior to everyone and enlightened in some way, christians are silly elf whorshippers who contribute nothing to society because no scientist was ever ever ever a christian.



Its not only children though.



Ah, religious topics always make for a hilarious read.




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Soriku said:
Rawrerer said:
Soriku said:
 


Citation needed.

And here we go again with "derp, atheism is a religion". FYI if you want to make a point you probably shouldn't post bullshit like that.

religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Belief- God does not exist (yes that is a belief because there is no proof to contradict.)

cultural system--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

world views-- Atheists are superior to everyone and enlightened in some way, christians are silly elf whorshippers who contribute nothing to society because no scientist was ever ever ever a christian.

That's like saying that believing in green grass is a religion. Atheism is certainly not an organized collection of beliefs. All atheism is is the lack of belief in god. That's it.

Your world view is a stereotype.

And again, citation needed for your scientist comment.

Yes you can literally start a religion in believing grass is green as long as you have a culture and world views on it want to start it? But science would tell you a different story grass is not actually green its just reflecting green light and is actually every other color but green.



Soriku said:
Rawrerer said:
Soriku said:
Rawrerer said:
 

religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.

Belief- God does not exist (yes that is a belief because there is no proof to contradict.)

cultural system--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

world views-- Atheists are superior to everyone and enlightened in some way, christians are silly elf whorshippers who contribute nothing to society because no scientist was ever ever ever a christian.

That's like saying that believing in green grass is a religion. Atheism is certainly not an organized collection of beliefs. All atheism is is the lack of belief in god. That's it.

Your world view is a stereotype.

And again, citation needed for your scientist comment.

Yes you can literally start a religion in believing grass is green as long as you have a culture and world views on it want to start it? But science would tell you a different story grass is not actually green its just reflecting green light and is actually every other color but green.


As well as an organized collection of beliefs. Which atheism doesn't have. So it's not a religion.

Oh man... You cannot even define Athiesm without making a statement of your belief.  The very essence of religion is belief.

Its so silly it hurts mentally athiests believe in not believing in something others believe in. <-- Does that make logical sense???

Im sorry maybe im being mean and sorta of disrespectful to your religion and for that i am truely sorry. Everyone should have the right to believe in what they believe in.