How does one bundle at $399 (with Kinect) ruin the value proposition over other bundles at $399 (without Kinect)?

So you're saying a game that maintains sales, regardless of how long, rebukes a dry period of no releases?  Consider that real quick.   A single game has pushed Wii U to Xbox One levels (even in the wake of a pricecut, big game and Kinect removal) and there are more big games coming.   On top of the normal holiday gift giving boost that Nintendo typically receives during the holiday.   And yet you still claim the Xbox One will erase a nearly 2 million sales deficit by the end of the year?

Oh, and didn't Sniper Elite 3 launch a few weeks ago?   That's more than the Wii U has received since Mario Kart 8.  So the Xbox One has had less of a drought than Wii U has and Wii U is still selling better at the moment.

they spent more money than they could get back resulting in a 400 million dollar lost(mainly do to xbox one)

Again with the US only numbers.   Do Japan and Europe not exist for this context?

If you look at it
its kinda sad since xbox one has all third party and multiple 1st party games and yet it cant outsell a doomed console that has kept it sales doubled last years from a game over 2 months ago

Because a Kinectless $399 XB1 looks crap compared to a $399 kinect bundle with Titanfall. It's like a step backwards almost, should have been $350 (part of me thinks it will be this holiday).

This is a myth. Didn't get it in 2012 and didn't get it in 2013 either. The Wii and DS got big boosts during the holiday, but they were huge in the year too.

Pit sales for WiiU vs XB1 in the countries they sell in, and WiiU isn't selling better than XB1.

Yeah lets compare WiiU Japan numbers to XB1's ... oh wait. I use US becaused we get NPD numbers. We don't have an alternative for Europe unfortnately, otherwise I would happily use it.

Actually what it says is that they both spent, and made, more money.  There isn't enough actual data in that thread/link to give a true picture beyond just speculation.

You do see the word "typically" in that sentence, yes?

And country for country is not what this thread is about.   Don't change the goal posts to fit your argument.  

Third party was the reason XB1 had a far bigger launch than WiiU (despite facing off against PS4 and being $200 higher than WiiU.) There are very few multiplats atm, that's why this holiday you'll see them boosting XB1 sales again.

Seece the xbox one is only selling like that because of america look at the european numbers 12k for europe(over 50% of that from the uk itself)its selling less than the stinking wii u there(dont give me the xbox one hasnt release in 13 countries excuse(why would they release it there so late then because of low sales there) and in US its selling above 30k thats over half its sales its selling less than 20k outside the US(compared to 29k for wii u)