Well, to be honest nobody really trusts chainsaw defense.
tells are meant to find leads, not act as evidence.

The best evidence is always inconsistency. Declining bets is just a variation on inconsistency, and also cautionary play. Mafia also tend to be cautious. You'll learn more as time goes on.

Or maybe you could do something productive and discover a team that isnt already confirmed town.

Hey hylian
The chainsaw defense you are referring to is tarlhindars. On that same page you should also notice the iioa tell...where scum tend to talk about a game setup more than doing analysis. Notice anything familiar with our friend padib?
Also looking back, I noticed that padib didnt actually do much analysis on day 1. Instead he just asked tons of questions and always assumed that every player was being genuine and forthright.

Jesus you're condecending. To be fair, if the team I think exists does exist. It narrows who the mafia is as well.

If the truth is condescending, blame circumstances.
ive already come to the conclusion that myself hylian and smeags are town, which is why logically, im npw looking into the people I think are not town.
my case against you is already made. If people decide its worthy, im sure you'll be back on the hot seat soon. If not, they won't.
Therefore, the town thing to do would be to look at the other suspects. Since you've come to the same conclusion finally after being beaten over the head with reasoning as to why another killing faction doesn't exist, your town goal would be to now look into the suspect pool.
your decision seemed to be "im gunna just sit back and let people do some investigating". Maybe im wrong, but thats what it appeared to be...albeit in a disguise of "to help town, ill shut up".
I simply see a conflict between what you are going to do to help town, and what will actually help town.

But I digress

To be honest outlaw, I dont actually think you're stupid.
I think you're pretending to be stupid as an out to things you said.

...

Huh...

Well...you certainly seem sincere. Can't say I expected this though. Wow. Thanks I guess. I considered ragequitting at several points, but I kept coming back. Partially because if I modkilled myself when town was already losing, everyone would fucking hate me, and probably not let me play mafia again if I ever wanted, but also because I...was actually having some fun. I'll certainly be returning whenever a game with the right flavor pops up. And I am starting to get why you go hard on people. Like you said, everyone lashes out, especially if their life is on the line. It's the nature of the game.

Apology accepted for now. You're about as town as you can get (outside of a cop report from a cop confirmed town in a flip), so it's not like I have anything to lose.

Top 4 suspects:

1. WhiteEagle

2. Nickles

Long story short on those two, I don't buy it that there's two trackers that do the exact same thing (though I'm still a bit confused about how WhiteEagle's tracking works). I lean towards WhiteEagle for the same reasons everyone else does. Contradictions, what looks to be a hammering of Sparks (though to be fair, I've twice in this game voted for Sparks), and potentially a lie about Cone. Noname pointed out this post which suggests that Cone got actual confirmation from WoW that he was at Sparks' house. Whether he actually would have been able to save Sparks if necessary is another story, because obviously he might have been role blocked, but WoW's language suggests that the roleblock, if Cone was indeed roleblocked, doesn't stop Cone from going to the house of his choice, it merely stops him from being able to save the person from his wounds, should the person be wounded. The only other solution to the contradiction is that WE was roleblocked, but why the fuck would they target him with a roleblocker? How could they have known he had an investigative role when he had almost no activity? Why would they block an investigative role (that they don't even know about, but even if they did) when you can block the doctor? It doesn't add up.

3. Outlaw

Wasn't even on this list until your investigation of him. Though I did make some notes about him yesterday that made me realize he wasn't as town as I thought he was. I had thought he was town because he was behaving like I expected him to based on my experience with him elsewhere. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's town. I guess I put way too much stock into his being helped by padib, which makes no sense either, and the fact that after day one, you also defended him. I didn't agree with your reasoning, as you said his cowardice to vote himself meant he was town, and that was the one point during the padib test that I actually felt you were right about, though I didn't want to say it at the time because I wanted to save padib's power. At the same time, though, since you, padib, myself, and others thought he was town, I stopped looking into him, as the town seemed to have reached a concensus I agreed with. I also stopped looking into padib, because I thought the test made an excellent case for him being a townie, even if we did lose the power. As for padib, he's not in my top 4, but I'm beginning to think I may have been mistaken to trust him. He was nice to me, defended me, encouraged me, and always seemed to agree with me. I liked his attitude that town should work together. I feel like I'm almost betraying him here, but I think you were right to place him as "somewhat town". He may have been herding all the noobs to follow him. Still, I don't have padib on the list because I'm 50-50 right now on his townieness. Your investigations have certainly helped me reconsider some things.

4. Khan

Ugh...I don't even fucking know with him. He sometimes sort of makes contributions, but often is echoing someone. He makes some interesting posts when he's angry that sometimes alleviate my fears, but nothing he's said has led anywhere. He does come up with reasoning when pressed to, but sometimes it's just that he's going with his best hunch. Other times, he has pretty good reasoning, but that might have been echoing too. As for the bomb claim, I don't see it as impossible, but it is unlikely. He seems unclear about it. I'm not entirely clear how his power works either.

Ugh, why is it 3 AM? Fuck my life. I wanted to post more, but my thoughts are mostly summed up here, and I have class in the morning, so I'm going to bed. I'll finish organizing my thoughts into notes tomorrow in class and post them when I get around to it.

EBWOP:

Just for clarification:

In the paragraph about Outlaw, where it says "I didn't agree with your reasoning, as you said his cowardice to vote himself meant he was town, and that was the one point during the padib test that I actually felt you were right about, though I didn't want to say it at the time because I wanted to save padib's power"

It should say "I didn't agree with your reasoning that his cowardice to vote himself meant he was town, as the one point I agreed with you during the padib test was when you said "if you are town you will vote yourself", though I didn't want to say it at the time because I wanted to save padib's power."

Ugh, okay, falling asleep at the keyboard. Going to bed now for real.

That "hammering" was pretty much the only detective work I've done throughout this game by asking plenty of questions.... Only after I read what Sparks said just before the day ended changed my mind from 'unsure, suspicious' to going to 'probably townie.'

WoW said to me that Cone hasn't targeted anyone. That's why I was cautious about Cone until I decided we are probably both telling the truth. I have no idea if I was role-blocked or not.

After catching up, these are my top new suspects. I limited it to 3, just cos I don't think there would be 4 Mafia...but it could be.

1. Mr Khan - still my top suspect, regardless if he did nothing according to Nickles. I'm not sure if he is lying about how Khan did nothing for the past 2 nights.
2.Outlaw - what I've read from Prof's posts just made me lean towards him being a Mafia.
3. Nickles. I just don't have enough of anything to make me think he is a town., plus unsure if two trackers is possible for the SAME team.

I still don't know what to think about Padib. I thought he was town because he saved someone, and also because nearly everyone agreed he was a town and sometimes called him a confirmed townie, so I went with that.

Who I think are town:
Prof
Smeags
White

No idea:
Padib
Noname