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HylianSwordsman said:
outlawauron said:
I'd like to use game as proof that our time with day is way too long.

Also, what's your stance on all of this? I identified 7 lynch candidates that have multiple people suspecting them, and my opinions as to which are the best bets for town. Surely you have an opinion on it by now?

Well, I've got my suspecisions on a few.

I still don't completely believe RCT, so i do agree that he's a very good lynch candidate. Still not a fan of Cone's overall behavior. I haven't liked Sparks mannerisms and content since the first day. I would place him on my "lynch list". I don't have a good reason to vote for Mr. Khan or Trucks. Prof is too emotional in this game that I can't quite a get a good read. He's certainly causing a ton of disruption.

My top 3:

RCT
Cone
Sparks

With prof as the wild card.



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@hylian
why do I have to die to confirm who you think is mafai???

What the he'll happened?
Are we back to the two mafia theory again?
I was literally targeted for the kill.
how am I on the top of your suspect list???

Not to mention that me dying doesnt



Me dying doesnt prove anything!

Let me repeat myself
I am the most experienced player here. All the vets know that im very good.
im nearly confirmed town after a bodyguard blocked my death.

My lynch is not worth the risk. If you are wrong you lose a huge asset.



padib said:
HylianSwordsman said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I wanted to prove your claim, plain and simple. "Lynching" outlaw provided that, a lot of discussion over whether we should do it or not,  which to me is as good or maybe even better as discussion over the lynching another random townie because in the end we didn't lose a townie (provided Outlaw is town, of course). Also, you're the one who wasted your ability, no one else.

We're supposed to be on a team. Regardless of how bad an idea you think it was, making an effort to eliminate a power that could save us in a LyLo situation is a scummy thing to do. And I don't think we were discussion lynching another random townie, we were discussing lynching someone we had a better case against, thereby increasing our chances of getting a mafia.

THIS. I'm so glad you're in this game. Looks like Trucks isn't going to be honest about his day 1 vote.

Hylian, about your reads, I am thinking that we need to push our Cone investigation. I still have no idea why he opted to protect me. As a townie he would be looking to protect someone who wasn't vanilla.

So it's either he:

1) Wasn't paying attention or

2) Made a poor fakeclaim.

What do you think?


I've already said we shouldn't lynch Cone today, but that's based on him telling the truth. I consider there to be an excellent chance that he's telling the truth about being a doctor. Also, if you recall, he did leave early. Remember the "I hope this post isn't my last" post? That was before a lot of important events. That said, if he didn't at least read through what happened after that before making his decision on who to target, that was really irresponsible of him. So let's go through the possibilities.

1st, the one I've been assuming thus far. He's telling the truth about being a doctor. If so, I do believe he's mafia, as having a doctor and a bodyguard on the same team is a broken combo in any game, and something that WoW should have been looking for especially in a role madness game (no vanilla), as per the article I linked earlier. There's a small chance he's town, though, so keeping him alive could be beneficial. Protecting you could just have been a noob move and maybe he'll improve for night 2. On the other hand, having a mafia doctor suggests that there's a vigilante, and leaving a mafia doc alive seems relatively inconsequential to me, so long as we have a better case for another mafia that might have a more dangerous role. The only real consequence is that the vig just needs to wait a bit to use his shot, something that vigs often do anyway.

2nd, what I've been ignoring thus far, is the possibility that he's lying about being a doc. It's not impossible that he simply wasn't paying attention, and that and the fact that he protected a vanilla could be explained as a noob mistake, though not one I'd have made. But then, who else would I protect? I suspected prof, you'd drawn a lot of negative attention, and I had no leads as to other roles aside from RCT's bulletproof claim that suggests he could protect himself. I might have just chosen a random person that I had no suspicions of and that I suspected still had a power. On the other hand, if I insisted on working strictly off of what I know, I might have chosen you. In light of the events the next morning, if I'd chosen you I'd be really embarrased to admit it, but I'd probably say so anyway simply because lying about it probably wouldn't help the town and if it came to light later that I lied about my target I might get lynched and that wouldn't be good for town either. So if he's actually a town doctor, I'm inclined to believe he did target you, because if he's a mafia doctor or just a straight up liar about being a doctor, then that's a REALLY poor fakeclaim, so much that I wouldn't even put it past a noob.



Can we get a votal please?
As far as I can tell im currently in the lead with 3 votes
khan has one
wright has one
and someone else but I cant remember who



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theprof00 said:
Me dying doesnt prove anything!

Let me repeat myself
I am the most experienced player here. All the vets know that im very good.
im nearly confirmed town after a bodyguard blocked my death.

My lynch is not worth the risk. If you are wrong you lose a huge asset.

I've taken your experience into account. If you're experienced than you're just as dangerous as a mafia as you are useful as a town. Being the most experienced doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't lynch you. You're an asset to whatever side you're on. If I'm wrong, we lose an asset, but if I'm right, mafia loses an equal sized asset. As for having no case, I already said my case, the way you play seems to suggest you're trying to sew confusion, paranoia, and doubt. I'm definitely not the only one that thinks you've been really confusing. Outlaw has noted your disruption as well, but then he says that means you're emotional and thus hard to read. I disagree. You're experienced. You know what you're doing. So to cause this much disruption, presumably on purpose since you're experienced, suggests to me that you're trying to hurt town. You know how to use provoking emotional responses as a tactic; you used it with me and others already, so I don't think for a moment you're falling into that trap. Everything you're doing, you're doing on purpose. Semantics, by the very nature of it, is a tactic that manipulates what people say. To use it means that you want to use their words to make them look guilty rather than decide who seems guilty based on what was actually said. That said, I do condone semantics sometimes, if it really does seem like the person is betraying what they really mean in the wording of their lie. Your investigation of Sparks delved into semantics at times, but might have been onto something. So that's an example of how your turning up town could prove something.

Your being targeted for the kill proves nothing. Yesterday, anyone voting for Cone was, based on what we knew at the time, either stupid or guilty. Spurge turned out to be the former. Guarding you might have been a great move, or maybe it merely protected you from the second killing party, who wanted to frame padib, me, and nickles, as you already admitted was a possiblity. We haven't ruled out the possibility of a second killing party. I'm not necessarily going back to a two mafia theory again so much as I am going to a two killing party theory.

I don't need you to die to help me decide who is mafia, but it would certainly affect who I think is mafia. I don't want to lynch you for information, I want to lynch you because you keep causing confusion, paranoia, and doubt, and I already explained how I feel the use of semantics reflects on you. Your behavior is the case for your lynch. Any information your death might reveal is just icing on the cake. And just as much as you being town would be great evidence for certain things, you turning up mafia would be evidence for the contrary. The info I might gain is less important to me at this point than the fact that your behavior tells me that you want to hurt town. I could see maybe promoting paranoia, as scum would probably already be paranoid and maybe creating a paranoid atmosphere would help them screw up, or maybe it would give them something to hide behind. But the confusion you've caused can't possibly be good. And while a certain amount of skepticism is healthy, the amount of doubt you're trying to instill in everyone is not. Seriously, why are you still going after padib at this point? If testing his claim was supposed to do anything, why are you being "paranoid" about him somehow being mafia? I think it's because you want to create an unhealthy amount of paranoia and doubt.



theprof00 said:
Can we get a votal please?
As far as I can tell im currently in the lead with 3 votes
khan has one
wright has one
and someone else but I cant remember who


I thought Khan had two?

Sparks is the other one. I thought he had two as well.

I agree, we need to see the votes again, I'm losing track.



Sparks said:


Quoting to get your attention. It says you're online, but the last we heard from you padib had made you sad and you went to watch porn :P

This discussion kind of pertains to you though, so I'd like to hear from you. What do you think? I'd like to hear your thoughts on prof, as well as your thoughts on other suspects. Feel free to comment on the case against you as well, but please separate your thoughts on each subject.



HylianSwordsman said:
Sparks said:

Quoting to get your attention. It says you're online, but the last we heard from you padib had made you sad and you went to watch porn :P

This discussion kind of pertains to you though, so I'd like to hear from you. What do you think? I'd like to hear your thoughts on prof, as well as your thoughts on other suspects. Feel free to comment on the case against you as well, but please separate your thoughts on each subject.

I don't know what to say. I'm really curious to see what he flips : p

 

Votals:

- Wright: 1
- theprof: 3
- Sparks: 1
- MrKhan: 1
- Trucks: 1



What paranoia doubt and confusion am I sewing?
Do you havenposts to back this accusation up??

One of my problems with your argument is that if I am actually mafia targeted by second party, you inherently arr accepting the idea that there are two factions by voting me. The two ideas coexist theyre mot independent. If you are saying that the block means nothing, then it means im on a second faction. I dont see how that discrepancy can be rectified.
That means you are looking to start with a more complicated game and then to rule out complicated things when theyre proven false. Thats like saying aliens exist because we have no proof they dont exist. Is it not? Except now its not just a bunch of tin foil thats being wasted, its a person who is playing.

Your argument that mafia would lose an equally strong member is false because they will NOT lose me. I am NOT mafia or second party. Ive told you already I am a vanilla town. Everything ive done makes sense from my perspective.
I distrusted padib for claiming a relatively rare role because in my head he was just trying to claim something that someone wouldn't have. So he wouldn't be counterclaimed by an actual mayor. I believed he was lying...I looked at his wording, as did sparks, and we both saw something wrong with the wording. Turns out he WAS lying about the wording. So yes, I find semantics important. It doesn't mean he's mafia, but it COULD.

But yeah please post some evidence as to how im being obfuscating. You didnt allow me to argue yesterday, but today that seemed to change when I was guarded. Can I get a chance to argue my case? Or is your mind made up?