It would be nice if you took a look at this.

@khan
mafia control the game by getting people to trust them.
they ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS are on scum lynched early, town lynches late or not at all. They try to portray themselves as the people who are always right but they NEVER lead lynches, they put forward arguments, try to sway people and then jump on board when they see traction.

Scum are almost never (key word almost) the leaders. Because if they lead a town lynch it looks bad for them and if they lead a scum lynch well they lose a valuable partner. Pushiness is not a good mafia trait.
not that noname is scum, but kinda like how noname is playing. Not leading...supporting.

Of course you cpuld make the argument that based on experience I could lead as scum and yes in previous games ive been completely ready to sacrifice my scum teammates to gain town cred. But if im taking that tactic, town would stand to gain anyway. Im a bit paranoid right now. Many people are being way too quiet. I dont have have input on ideas. This is a recipe for town bickering amongst themselves while scum jump on lynches later.

Honestly im less comfortable lynching today than I was yesterday. Mainly because my targets are such huge risks if im wrong. You on the other hand have relatively low risk.


@sparks
as far as outlaw
im almost 100% convinced hes town. He challenged the power role assumption and acted like a coward in the fax of his own lynch. Scum are cowards too, but a scum looking at a mayor should've used that for MAJOR town points there.

Yeah. I'm not too keen on the idea of lynching the town doctor just to "narrow down the suspects". That can be done with evidence, can it not? 

Right now, I'm wiilling to trust RCT and his claim. I'm not sold on his story completely but I do believe there's bigger suspects out there. Wright and Khan, primarily. Wright for the reasons upon which I've already discussed (evasion, lack of a contribution, holding information back to the benefit of noone for a very weak reason indeed), and Khan due to his posting style and his voting for TheProf just now. It strikes of a retaliation move, which he admitted, moreso than anything else. In addition he doesn't seem to be contributing that much, aside from to jump in with the occasional comment. 

As for Sparks, I can't decide. I'd say Nickelsbe and TheProf are definitely town. Sparks has made some curious moves and actions but he's provided some reasoning for them, and indeed has posted some good possibilities. To answer his questions as well which he just posed:

1. Yeah, pretty sure padib is town. I wouldn't have protected him if I didn't think so, even if upon reflection I should have gone with my gut and protected theprof. Actually that's a good question; were I to protect theprof, would Spurge still be alive? If so then I feel really bad about it

2. I'm not sold on Outlaw either way; he also hasn't contributed much on this, the second day. I'd like to hear more from him.

3. If I had to choose four for scum, then I would also agree with Khan, Trucks, with Wright and either Outlaw, RCT, Sparks or Smears being the other. Can't decide right now but the first three I would be happy lynching. The latter three, I'm not so sure.

4. You make some good points. I apologize for the lack of participation as well. Might as well say that I was at my sister's wedding earlier this week and have been re-organizing the house after last week. Come next week I should be here more.

Hope that has at least helped people out a tad. Will comment more later, but food is about to arrive.

nice

And whatever about protection. If you REALLY are the town doc, chances are they have a way around you already since you claimed yesterday. Nice hint with that "surgical precision" line on day 1 though.

Still, can't rule you out as scum. I really want to lynch you just to see the flip, but it's too risky right now. On top of which, if we manage to lynch a redirector today, hey maybe you can protect me tonight :D

Yeah they'll probably have a way around it for sure. As you said, though, if we can lynch one of the Mafia members...perhaps we could get around that. 

Not gonna say any more about the protection thing aside from the fact that you were my second choice. Thought you were too useful for Town and that would make you a target, particularly given your comments yesterday about how you often get killed in the first couple days. Quite clearly I made the wrong choice

Well there are always ways around you too. There are watchers and trackers among other roles that in spite of me dying, could nab a scum in the process.

If I die but it results in a mafia death/lynch, I'll be happy. 1-1 trade works for me.

NOTE: Please do not comment on the likelyhood of a scenario, just if you think I am missing some piece of the puzzle or you disagree with a conclusion.

>>Scenarios were RCTjunkie is telling the truth:

1. Multi-faction scum:
In support: Two attacks happened at night.
Against: It wouldn't make sense to attack RCTjunkie.
Conclusions: 1. We have two factions. One targeted prof, and the other targeted RCTjunkie.
2. RCT and prof may or may not be scum (mafia or SK).

2. Bus driver & another killing party:
In support: Two attacks happened at night.
It wouldn't make sense to attack RCTjunkie.
Against: Nobody has claimed anything.
Conclusions: 1. We have a (maybe town) bus driver and another killing party (mafia/SK/Vig).
2. Driver bussed someone with RCTJunkie, saving their life.
3. RCT and prof may or may not be scum.

3. Thief:
In support: RCT never explicitly said he was attacked.
Our abilities have come from our items so far.
Against: Nobody has claimed anything.
Conclusions: 1. We have a thief.
2. Only one attack last night = no SK. Poisoner still possible.
3. prof and RCTjunkie are definitely town.

>>Scenarios were RCTjunkie is lyng about everything:

1. One scum faction:
In support: We only had one attack last night (remember RCT is lying here).
Against: I can't think of anything.  He cuold easily be lying.
Conclusions: 1. We have one faction.
2. prof is definitely town, since he's last nights only victim. Poisoner still possible.
3. RCTjunkie may or may not be town, but is scummy for lying.

>>RCTjunkie is only lyng about losing his bulletproof:

1. One scum faction again (turned out exactly like above):
In support: We only had one attack last night (remember RCT is lying here).
Against: I can't think of anything. He cuold easily be lying.
Conclusions: 1. We have one faction.
2. prof is definitely town, since he's last nights only victim. Poisoner still possible.
3. RCTjunkie may or may not be town, but is scummy for lying.

In the thief portion, it doesn't conclude that either one of us are town.

Yeah I find it kind of weird in none of those scenarios RCT or the prof are definitely scum yet there is is one where they are both definitely town with no clear indication why they are definitely town? Care to explain that? Also surly there is a possibility that one or both are definitely mafia. Especially with what's happened so far there is more pointing to the fact that RCT is definitely mafia as apposed to might be or definitely town. But then maybe my perception is off and I missed something?

nobody in this game is ever definitely town. ever. Even with a cop result

The only time, I guess, would be the role that comes back for a day after they die, or can talk after death. But those are very rare.