| Sharpryno said: I would have been perfectly fine with the original Xbox One but I know many others would not have. |
Dont worry, he will probably take them down too and thats good for gaming.
Machiavellian said:
This is where I differ in opinion. You only apoligize if you were at fault. MS was not at fault about what they wanted to do instead they were at fault at how they communicated their plan because it was not finished. Maybe I just have a different opinion on what a lie is. A lie would mean that MS told you they wanted to sell a digital console but in reality they really wanted to sell you a 360 with upgraded hardware. This would be a lie if you bought the X1 on the assumption that it was a digital console but got a 360 based console instead. Instead MS wanted to sell you a digital console but console gamers told MS they wanted is exactly how the 360 is today but with better hardware. MS changed the system to reflect what the market wanted and released a 360 based console, removing a lot of the digital only features. Not sure how thats lying but could you elaborate on your definition. @ BOLDED: This is why corporations need to make sure there is one cental place for such comminication. When Larry Hurb (AK Major Nelson) made that comment, you knew he was going to get torched for it. The reason why is because as we see today, one person not even the director of the Xbox division but just a marketing face made a comment which probably was done as a knee jerk reaction before checking in with the boss, is considered as a lie from MS. People get themselves into trouble like this all the time. When Larry was interviewed by Anry Joe and he made the statements concerning the 24 hour check in and Kinect integration he really did not know the answer but he chose to answer the question. It then becamed the Lie from MS when they did decide to change gears. I believe this was a hard lesson for MS to learn because such interviews get posted on the net and discussed on just about every forum you can name. If anything maybe Larry should apologize for making statements before he actually check in with the boss to see if they are correct. |
Yeah i see you just dont understand the definition of a "a lie" then :)
Saying you will never do something and then doing it, means you told a lie. It really is that simple, there may have been the best of intentions behind it but it doesnt change the fact it was a lie.
| eva01beserk said: They dont have to apologize. All they have to do is admit that it was a mistake and they wont try to enforce that in the future. I dont care if they are sorry, But as long as they admit is a mistake they wont try to do it again. |
Microsoft did that to shut everyone up and keep themselves in the game. They STILL believe their DRM was the way to go. Its the same reason why Orth was let go by Microsoft when fans rose up against him online for defending Microsoft. Yusuf, Orth and yes even Spencer defended DRM and eventually Spencer gave and said Microsoft would be more " transparent". If an employee has to say their company will be transparent with consumers that it admitting that they are a company you cannot trust. Whether you like it or not consumers and businesses do have a relationship outside of money after a while. When a compay does well for so long they display the satisfaction of a consumer and that is also because the consumer trusts them. It takes time to build that.
Sharpryno said:
MS is currently on track to put out more exclusives than Sony in its first year. MS said 15 exclusives in the first year. Sony promised 20 first party IPs in the ps4s first year of life and 12 of them would be new IPs. I think Sony missed the mark. |
Not really hard, when they let the 360 die slowly since 2010. Sony on the other hand supported the ps3 even in 2013.
It will be harder for the year after that, way harder for ms.
| WhiteEaglePL said: Well it is currently failing in EU, and it had soooo many 180's.... Should have been called the Xbox 180!!! XD jk jk, |
Never heard that one before.
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Machiavellian said:
This is where I differ in opinion. You only apoligize if you were at fault. MS was not at fault about what they wanted to do instead they were at fault at how they communicated their plan because it was not finished. Maybe I just have a different opinion on what a lie is. A lie would mean that MS told you they wanted to sell a digital console but in reality they really wanted to sell you a 360 with upgraded hardware. This would be a lie if you bought the X1 on the assumption that it was a digital console but got a 360 based console instead. Instead MS wanted to sell you a digital console but console gamers told MS they wanted is exactly how the 360 is today but with better hardware. MS changed the system to reflect what the market wanted and released a 360 based console, removing a lot of the digital only features. Not sure how thats lying but could you elaborate on your definition. @ BOLDED: This is why corporations need to make sure there is one cental place for such comminication. When Larry Hurb (AK Major Nelson) made that comment, you knew he was going to get torched for it. The reason why is because as we see today, one person not even the director of the Xbox division but just a marketing face made a comment which probably was done as a knee jerk reaction before checking in with the boss, is considered as a lie from MS. People get themselves into trouble like this all the time. When Larry was interviewed by Anry Joe and he made the statements concerning the 24 hour check in and Kinect integration he really did not know the answer but he chose to answer the question. It then becamed the Lie from MS when they did decide to change gears. I believe this was a hard lesson for MS to learn because such interviews get posted on the net and discussed on just about every forum you can name. If anything maybe Larry should apologize for making statements before he actually check in with the boss to see if they are correct. |
You do remember that mattricks was also interviewed and he said that was indeed the issue and thouse without internet can get a 360. So he basicly said "then fuck you all who do not meet the requierement". This was one of the most circulating videos so im sure you saw it. That larry hurb was just a scape goat who got thrown under the buss to keep face, and was probably paid millions for that bullshit she said.
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daredevil.shark said:
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"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." ------George Santayana
Your right sony did make that mistake. But does that give ms the right to do the same?(I see what ms is doing much worst but whatever). The worst part is that it was amistake done by someone else and still they did not learn from it wich is why consumers dont seem to forget and wont let ms of the hook. So for people who keep saying hat sony did years ago, its even worst that ms did knowing it failed before but still arrogantly enouff did it anyways.
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eva01beserk said:
"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." ------George Santayana Your right sony did make that mistake. But does that give ms the right to do the same?(I see what ms is doing much worst but whatever). The worst part is that it was amistake done by someone else and still they did not learn from it wich is why consumers dont seem to forget and wont let ms of the hook. So for people who keep saying hat sony did years ago, its even worst that ms did knowing it failed before but still arrogantly enouff did it anyways. |
In sony's case its a "mistake". But when its microsoft its different. There is a line between "mistake" and "lie". Sony crossed it big time with PS3. And I will keep saying these because blind fanboys forget the history very soon.
sales2099 said:
Yawn with the comparing. MS, in order to keep Xbox in business, was forced to "listen" to see what the consumers want. Because all updates and features after launch were a direct result of listening. |
Sure. They were forced to listen, they did not decide to because they always put consumers first like they wanted us to believe they did.
daredevil.shark said:
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Are you really this dense? First of all Im a nintendo fan. Second I said sony made the same error and if you want it can be much worst, but thats not the point Im trying to make. The point is that it was recorded in history that the mistake or lie was made and ms chose to ignore it and still did the same thing even if you say to a lesser extent, the same mistake was made knowing it did not work before.
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