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OfficerRaichu15 on 21 July 2014
JWeinCom said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
walsufnir said:


But what opportunity does Israel have? If they don't act they will be taken as cowards and Hamas will even take more actions to threaten Israel which is surrounded by enemies. There only "luck" is that their enemies are also enemies against their own.

Living with constant threat and potential war doesn't make your actions look softly...

I say they should just stop :P

stop killing innocents and making the middle east steretyplicly a aweful place to live because of this :p


If you were living in Israel and your town was getting hit by rockets, and your governement was doing nothing to stop it, what would you do?  Probably, since it is a democracy, vote in someone who would do something about it.

actually my true opinion about this matter i wont say im just trying to talk about it and be open minded of both sides

yes im sad israel is kiling hundreds in Gaza

yes im sad israel is being wished to be wiped off the face of the earth



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bubblegamer on 21 July 2014
Lawlight said:
bubblegamer said:
Carl2291 said:

On Sky News now -

60 people wounded including 30 medical staff after tanks shelled Central Gaza Hospital.

How can anyone defend this?

Edit - Watch your quote trees people!

Well 3 people were killed in Israel, so that's how. Each civiliian there is worth 200 Palestinian you see..


Were there no Israeli killed by Hamas before those 3?

And no Palestinians?



osed125 on 21 July 2014
DialgaMarine said:
All the Islamic states surrounding Israel want Israel dead. Plain and simple. Israel is defending its right to exist. This has been going since the days the country was originally founded. And don't try to play the "Palestineans were there first". There is archeological evidence, that dates back thousands of years, that proves that that was the Jews' holy land with virtually zero evidence of a Palestine. It's their land, and they have every right to do what they must to defend it and protect their civilians when they're threatened by terrorist.

Finally someone points this out. Palestine didn't get the land stolen from them, historically, it has belong to the jews more than the Palestines.



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anamme on 21 July 2014
fighter said:
anamme said:
I'm currently in Tel Aviv for work. I arrived a week before it all started, right when the Israeli boys were kidnapped and murdered. And then the Palestinian boy was murdered right after that, at which point Hamas started firing rockets all over Israel.

Obviously the news here will be biased in favor of Israel, but it seems Hamas is hiding their arsenals and rocketeers in public buildings such as hospitals and schools and in the citizens' homes. So though it upsets me knowing that so many innocent Palestinians have been murdered, what other choice does Israel have when it comes to eradicating these radicals?

I've never been in a 'combat' area such as this, and trust me it's scary when you have run and hide in bomb shelters day and night with sirens going off every two hours.

actually they have been firing rockets all year before increasing the rate "in protest" of the horrible murder of the palestinian teenager

Not aimed at Israeli civilians they haven't, not since 2012 anyway, and not to the extent where bomb shelters and such had to be opened. At least that's what my Israeli colleagues here are saying.

And yeah, with the Iron Dome in place here, life is still going on as normal it seems. People are still going to the beaches, and bars were packed during the World Cup even with the Code Red alarms going off. Such a contrast to the fear the Palestinian citizens must be going through. It does sicken me, but it's not like Israel isn't allowed to retaliate either. There's a reason they spent billions on the missile defense system after all. It's just horrible how many innocents have to die, whichever side they might be on.



Lawlight on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
Lawlight said:
bubblegamer said:
Carl2291 said:

On Sky News now -

60 people wounded including 30 medical staff after tanks shelled Central Gaza Hospital.

How can anyone defend this?

Edit - Watch your quote trees people!

Well 3 people were killed in Israel, so that's how. Each civiliian there is worth 200 Palestinian you see..


Were there no Israeli killed by Hamas before those 3?

And no Palestinians?


I didn't say that but you're suggesting that Israel is attacking back just because of those 3 killings.



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bubblegamer on 21 July 2014

I didn't say that but you're suggesting that Israel is attacking back just because of those 3 killings.

Lawlight said:
  

That's how the recent escalation started.



JWeinCom on 21 July 2014
osed125 said:
DialgaMarine said:
All the Islamic states surrounding Israel want Israel dead. Plain and simple. Israel is defending its right to exist. This has been going since the days the country was originally founded. And don't try to play the "Palestineans were there first". There is archeological evidence, that dates back thousands of years, that proves that that was the Jews' holy land with virtually zero evidence of a Palestine. It's their land, and they have every right to do what they must to defend it and protect their civilians when they're threatened by terrorist.

Finally someone points this out. Palestine didn't get the land stolen from them, historically, it has belong to the jews more than the Palestines.

Historically?  Dafuq does that mean?  If there were people there a thousand years ago, and they leave, they can just come back whenever they want?  I'm sure the Palestinians who were ousted about 60 years ago would be interested in that policy.  So would the native Americans in the Americas.

I'm not saying Israel stole the land (they immigrated legally under the Ottoman empire, the British mandate, and later were given the land by the British who controlled it and uhhhh well it gets sticky after that) but the fact that Israel may have had a state there thousands of years ago has nothing to do with whats going on now.  



JWeinCom on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
fighter said:


Simple question :

Why do neighbouring arab countries do little to nothing to help palestinians (their "brothers") ? - why is the palestian gvt using the aid money from US and EU to buy rockets instead of investing in the country ?

It seems like that desperation is orchestrated

You do know that Hamas is the goverment there, right? Hundreds of people dying is orchestrated, huh? I doubt you would be saying that if a foreign country was killing your people...


Hamas is the government which is the sad part here.  They are doing an incredibly inept job.  What is Hamas doing to keep its citizens safe?  How are their actions promoting a prosperous Palestinian people?  



Lawlight on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:

 

 

I didn't say that but you're suggesting that Israel is attacking back just because of those 3 killings.

Lawlight said:
  

That's how the recent escalation started.


More akin to the drop of water that tips the scale (or something along those lines). I don't think either are in the right but the only way this conflict will stop is if each party says "let's share this land 50/50".



fighter on 21 July 2014
bubblegamer said:
fighter said:


Simple question :

Why do neighbouring arab countries do little to nothing to help palestinians (their "brothers") ? - why is the palestian gvt using the aid money from US and EU to buy rockets instead of investing in the country ?

It seems like that desperation is orchestrated

You do know that Hamas is the goverment there, right? Hundreds of people dying is orchestrated, huh? I doubt you would be saying that if a foreign country was killing your people...

So it doesn't bother you that arab countries and the palestinian gvt do nothing for the palestinians ?

 

ok