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Whether they are responsable or not for this tragedy, it's surreal that such a brutal and primal separatist mouvement is allowed to take arms and start occupying cities in a developed and democratic country, all because of the support of a belligerent Russian government. Putin is a fucking asshole.



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Luck said:
Whether they are responsable or not for this tragedy, it's surreal that such a brutal and primal separatist mouvement is allowed to take arms and start occupying cities in a developed and democratic country, all because of the support of a belligerent Russian government. Putin is a fucking asshole.

Problem that currently Ukraine NOT a 'developed and democratic'. Recently elected Somali president told in his speech that he'll do all the possible to Somali not became Ukraine. The saddest thing about it is that Ukraine was the richest republic in Soviet Union. 23 years they was eating what was built in Soviet times - and it seems that the legacy is finished now...



Sharu said:
Luck said:
Whether they are responsable or not for this tragedy, it's surreal that such a brutal and primal separatist mouvement is allowed to take arms and start occupying cities in a developed and democratic country, all because of the support of a belligerent Russian government. Putin is a fucking asshole.

Problem that currently Ukraine NOT a 'developed and democratic'. Recently elected Somali president told in his speech that he'll do all the possible to Somali not became Ukraine. The saddest thing about it is that Ukraine was the richest republic in Soviet Union. 23 years they was eating what was built in Soviet times - and it seems that the legacy is finished now...

Was the Soviet Union something good according to you ? Does the Russian government ever do things you disagree with ?



Luck said:
Sharu said:
Luck said:
Whether they are responsable or not for this tragedy, it's surreal that such a brutal and primal separatist mouvement is allowed to take arms and start occupying cities in a developed and democratic country, all because of the support of a belligerent Russian government. Putin is a fucking asshole.

Problem that currently Ukraine NOT a 'developed and democratic'. Recently elected Somali president told in his speech that he'll do all the possible to Somali not became Ukraine. The saddest thing about it is that Ukraine was the richest republic in Soviet Union. 23 years they was eating what was built in Soviet times - and it seems that the legacy is finished now...

Was the Soviet Union something good according to you ? Does the Russian government ever do things you disagree with ?

Yes and yes. Come here and ask more questions if you interested: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=179695&page=1



Today Ukraine army with an artillery fire killed in Luhansk 44 people, 1 of them is a child.
You all shocked on 298 europeans died in a plane. Why are you not shocked when a innocent civil people dying every day in Donetsk/Luhansk from the Ukraine military?

After shooting in Luhansk:


Ukraine army shoots with Grad to the Luhansk.



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Sharu said:

Today Ukraine army with an artillery fire killed in Luhansk 44 people, 1 of them is a child.
You all shocked on 298 europeans died in a plane. Why are you not shocked when a innocent civil people dying every day in Donetsk/Luhansk from the Ukraine military?

After shooting in Luhansk:


Ukraine army shoots with Grad to the Luhansk.

because nobody believes russian news



Sharu said:
fighter said:
Apparently this recording would confirm it was the pro-russians

anyone can translate a bit ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2014/07/18/crash-ukraine-enregistrement-rebelles_n_5598059.html?utm_hp_ref=france

Its an obvious fake. ))

If you download the video from youtube and check video data, you will see that video was created 16th of july. BEFORE the plane crash. 

How could Ukraine SBU know about the accident one day before it happened, could you tell me?

Well, exactly because it's not really possible to fake it before the accident should be a proof that the time in the video data is simply incorrect and not that the video was made before the accident? Not saying that the video is fake or not, just that it sounds more plausibe that the data is wrong as that the video was created before the accident. 



fighter said:

because nobody believes russian news

1) many people believes Russian news, RT should be a good sign of it; 2) this is not Russian news, this is local news; 3) the fact Ukrainian army uses "Grad" launchers against the cities is undeniable.



Also western media behave like crazy with this accident. "Putin's missiles", "Putin killed my son", etc. THATS what I call propaganda. No evidencies, no investigations, but the West already found who's guilty.
Any sane person after seeing this will try to find some alternative point of view.



mai said:
fighter said:

because nobody believes russian news

1) many people believes Russian news, RT should be a good sign of it;

Stuff like this isn't going to help their credibility:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/mh17-russia-today-presenter-sara-firth-quits-over-malaysia-airlines-crash-coverage-9615489.html

A presenter for the Kremlin-backed news channel Russia Today (RT) has resigned from her job in protest over the broadcaster’s coverage of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash in Ukraine.

Sara Firth quit the post she has held at the Moscow based station for five years over what she described as their “total disrespect to the facts”, claiming on Twitter that the RT style guide rule one is: "It is ALWAYS *Ukraine's fault (*add name as applicable)”.

Firth, who was a London-based correspondent, told the Press Gazette: “It’s scary that it’s genuine RT guidance on how to do a story, and you have to believe it to succeed there. You stop believing that what they say is the way it is and you stop being useful to them.”

She described its coverage of the crash, which killed all 298 people on board, as "the straw that broke the camels back".

Her exit comes after RT anchor  Liz Wahl resigned live on air in response to the station’s “whitewashed” coverage of events of the Ukraine crisis in March.  The network swiftly denounced her actions as “nothing more than a self-promotional stunt”.

Explaining her decision to leave, she said: “Yesterday when the story broke you get the kick in your stomach when you’re going to get the facts and it’s this huge story.”

 

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