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MoHasanie on 17 July 2014
Mr Khan said:
MoHasanie said:
mai said:
MoHasanie said:

I'm sort of agreeing with your opinion but you're leaving out the possibilty that Russia supplied the rebels with all that equipment. Afterall, the rebels did shoot down 2 cargo planes last week.

Well, for that Russia should have supplied Buks with a crew as well, and it doesn't explain motives (9 chances out of 10 the incident will be blamed in Russia publicly regardless the investigation). Nah, I'd trust Occam here, unless proven wrong.

Il-76 was shot when nearly landed if that's what you mean. First An-26 wasn't cargo, it was artillery observer plane that went down for that purpose a bit too low and was shot down. The most recent An-26 was cargo, but I'm not sure how it was shot down. 4km altitude is what rebels could possibly afford for now.

Yeah, the blame on Russia thing is why I think you're right. The media is hardly considering that anybody other than Russia or the rebels was responsible. That makes me think that USA was involved in this with Ukraine. 

It's not going to be a false flag operation. I really don't think Russia would be dumb enough to do this (Soviet Union learned before that gunning down passenger aircraft is bad news, KAL007 and all), but Ukraine's not going to do something like this deliberately, not when they have the Separatists on the ropes.

Two best explanations are Russian agents assisting the Donbas separatists in using the Muk, the Separatists getting really (un)lucky with firing the Muk, or the Ukrainians having a similar bout of bad luck (though why they would fire on a plane headed eastward...)

I still am fairly confident America was behind it with Ukraine. I also find it very very suspicious that it was Malaysia Airlines again. What's the chances of that? 



    

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Mr Khan on 17 July 2014
MoHasanie said:
Mr Khan said:

It's not going to be a false flag operation. I really don't think Russia would be dumb enough to do this (Soviet Union learned before that gunning down passenger aircraft is bad news, KAL007 and all), but Ukraine's not going to do something like this deliberately, not when they have the Separatists on the ropes.

Two best explanations are Russian agents assisting the Donbas separatists in using the Muk, the Separatists getting really (un)lucky with firing the Muk, or the Ukrainians having a similar bout of bad luck (though why they would fire on a plane headed eastward...)

I still am fairly confident America was behind it with Ukraine. I also find it very very suspicious that it was Malaysia Airlines again. What's the chances of that? 

The very inappropriate, dark joke i thought of was that CNN was behind it. They couldn't milk the old Malaysian Airlines tragedy anymore, so they made a new one.



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MoHasanie on 18 July 2014
Mr Khan said:
MoHasanie said:
Mr Khan said:
 

It's not going to be a false flag operation. I really don't think Russia would be dumb enough to do this (Soviet Union learned before that gunning down passenger aircraft is bad news, KAL007 and all), but Ukraine's not going to do something like this deliberately, not when they have the Separatists on the ropes.

Two best explanations are Russian agents assisting the Donbas separatists in using the Muk, the Separatists getting really (un)lucky with firing the Muk, or the Ukrainians having a similar bout of bad luck (though why they would fire on a plane headed eastward...)

I still am fairly confident America was behind it with Ukraine. I also find it very very suspicious that it was Malaysia Airlines again. What's the chances of that? 

The very inappropriate, dark joke i thought of was that CNN was behind it. They couldn't milk the old Malaysian Airlines tragedy anymore, so they made a new one.

lol, they need to give Malaysia Airlines a break. That airline is gonna go out of business with all these accidents! 



    

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MoHasanie on 18 July 2014

A Singapore Airlines Boeing 777 and Air India Boeing 787 were just 25km away from MH17 before it crashed so they could have been shot too. I think MH was just very unlucky to be involved in this accident as well. I was actually surprised that this flight had 283 passengers on board. Those are quite good loads considering one of their flights went missing this year. 



    

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mai on 18 July 2014

If this is a false flag, it's a failed attempt.

Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip "Proving" Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17

It's especially funny that the made-up video tries to blame Igor "Bes" Bezler for that hit, even though his unit is strictly raiding and recon party.



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mai on 18 July 2014
mai said:

Spanish air traffic controller from Borispol blames it on Kiev (in Spanish, could be fake, no confirmation), google-translated:

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also

Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
Military ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order came

Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.
The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.

Not fake, real person, that of course does not automaitcally confirms whatever he said. His twitter acc has been deleted btw.



fighter on 18 July 2014
mai said:
mai said:

Spanish air traffic controller from Borispol blames it on Kiev (in Spanish, could be fake, no confirmation), google-translated:

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also

Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
Military ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order came

Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.
The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.

Not fake, real person, that of course does not automaitcally confirms whatever he said. His twitter acc has been deleted btw.

He has been confirmed a fake

https://twitter.com/Sr_Gremlin



mai on 18 July 2014
fighter said:
mai said:
mai said:

Spanish air traffic controller from Borispol blames it on Kiev (in Spanish, could be fake, no confirmation), google-translated:

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also

Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
Military ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order came

Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.
The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.

Not fake, real person, that of course does not automaitcally confirms whatever he said. His twitter acc has been deleted btw.

He has been confirmed a fake

https://twitter.com/Sr_Gremlin

Ok, thanks, looks convincing.



fighter on 18 July 2014
mai said:
fighter said:
mai said:
mai said:

Spanish air traffic controller from Borispol blames it on Kiev (in Spanish, could be fake, no confirmation), google-translated:

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also

Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
Military ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order came

Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.
The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.

Not fake, real person, that of course does not automaitcally confirms whatever he said. His twitter acc has been deleted btw.

He has been confirmed a fake

https://twitter.com/Sr_Gremlin

Ok, thanks, looks convincing.

https://www.facebook.com/TheSpainReport

 

"This is not the first time we have been asked about him. This "Carlos" was also active during the Maidán revolution in Ukraine.

We have no knowledge of "Carlos" having been in Ukraine. There is no record of his passing through the Consulate, and no one from the (relatively small) Spanish colony knows him.

The airport where he supposedly worked for several years told us at the time that all of their air traffic controllers are Ukranian, and that in any case they have never employed any Spaniard for that or any other task.

Furthermore, the last information he was posting before the airline tragedy was of the same sort. He was saying, for example, that he lived in Kiev and had been threatened by radical extreme-right elements. No Spaniard or national of another country—to my knowledge—has ever been threatened in this country."



haxxiy on 18 July 2014

Seems like there were about a hundred leading HIV researchers on board, on route to a congress on Melbourne. And the UN mentioned just a while back the pandemic could be controlled by 2030. The devil was really on the loose yesterday...