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Forums - Sales - June 2014 NPD Thread! PS4: 269k, XBO: 197k, Wii U: 140k

jnemesh on 18 July 2014
Raziel123 said:
The hell just happened to this topic?


We got bored with the original topic and decided to make fun of conegamer's moderation misery. :P



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DonFerrari on 18 July 2014

About X1 not doing good because it haven't outsold ps4 have you tough that up to 2014 ps3 was doing bad because it haven't outsold x360?
Ps3 was doing bad because of the sharp drop from ps2 but have been doing good since 2010/11.
Gamecube did good because the only metric that stand tall above others is profitability and marketshare is just a way to get there. If ps4 sells 150M profitting 20B, X1 sells 50M profitting 25B (but outsold 3:1 on HW) and WiiU sells 30M profitting 30B who really did well and won? For me as gamer Ps4 and the others sucked ballz and flopped. For shareholders they would preffer ninty.
Imagine that activision had spinoff the 2 studios that make CoD and even tough they just sold 20M yearly (or 150M on the gen... A small marketshare of like 5%) would that make they fail against EA? No, it probably would be the most sucessfull studio of gen 7. They would dance around Ninty with only 7 games against 30.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

steverhcp02 on 18 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
steverhcp02 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well I guess ExxonMobil might as well close down as well. Because despite making a $32 billion profit last year, they were outsold by about 2:1 by Saudi Aramco.

Your logic, not mine.

Well, your analogy is just as bad as his overreaction to less than 1 year into the generation. You cant compare a small margin division of a company with an entire corperation in a nonrelated market with completely different market history, future, and economic segment. He isnt saying MSFT should shut down. It would be like if ExxonMobile made lawnmowers or cars to use their gas and that division was being destroyed.

 

Ganted, the posted youre referencing is reaching when we are soooooo early into this generation so even the analogy i proposed is proposterous. But so is your rebuttle to him :)

Yeah I always go for the most extreme examples. Still, if it doesn't hold up it just doesn't hold up.

Yeah I'm a fan of analogies and I totally agree with your sentiment. The poster youre responding to is knee jerking hard. I say this about the current gen: Sony hit a 2 run home run. MSFT hit a 2 singles and has runners at 1st and 3rd. sony is is up 2-0 but all it takes is 2 strikeouts from Sony and a Home run from MSFT and its totally different.

I'm really hoping you understand baseball :)




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OfficerRaichu15 on 18 July 2014
steverhcp02 said:
Ka-pi96 said:
steverhcp02 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well I guess ExxonMobil might as well close down as well. Because despite making a $32 billion profit last year, they were outsold by about 2:1 by Saudi Aramco.

Your logic, not mine.

Well, your analogy is just as bad as his overreaction to less than 1 year into the generation. You cant compare a small margin division of a company with an entire corperation in a nonrelated market with completely different market history, future, and economic segment. He isnt saying MSFT should shut down. It would be like if ExxonMobile made lawnmowers or cars to use their gas and that division was being destroyed.

 

Ganted, the posted youre referencing is reaching when we are soooooo early into this generation so even the analogy i proposed is proposterous. But so is your rebuttle to him :)

Yeah I always go for the most extreme examples. Still, if it doesn't hold up it just doesn't hold up.

Yeah I'm a fan of analogies and I totally agree with your sentiment. The poster youre responding to is knee jerking hard. I say this about the current gen: Sony hit a 2 run home run. MSFT hit a 2 singles and has runners at 1st and 3rd. sony is is up 2-0 but all it takes is 2 strikeouts from Sony and a Home run from MSFT and its totally different.

I'm really hoping you understand baseball :)

really great analogy(if you follow baseball like stever and me)



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

OfficerRaichu15 on 18 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
steverhcp02 said:

Yeah I'm a fan of analogies and I totally agree with your sentiment. The poster youre responding to is knee jerking hard. I say this about the current gen: Sony hit a 2 run home run. MSFT hit a 2 singles and has runners at 1st and 3rd. sony is is up 2-0 but all it takes is 2 strikeouts from Sony and a Home run from MSFT and its totally different.

I'm really hoping you understand baseball :)


Enough to understand that

Yeah it's far from over. While I very much doubt Xbox One will outsell the PS4 it isn't a winner takes all competition. Sure going to be an interesting gen.

Rule 3 about anything Video Games

Never doubt anyone it happens that they could come back(ex ps3,genesis,xbox sort of)



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

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jnemesh on 18 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
binary solo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

eh maybe it isn't doing so good and maybe it is. Sales aren't the most important factor. We will find out properly in about 4 days when Microsoft release their latest financials

Without sales there's no revenue and without revenue there's no profit and without profit there's no company. So sales are the most important factor. But the most important factor in sales is profit margin. And the financials in 4 days will tell us what we already know. Xbox is a very small piece of MS revenue and profits, and given Xbox 360 remains the driver of software revenue for now, and probably has better profit margins on the hardware the extent to which Xb one is contributing to Xbox division's profits is going to be small.


Yeah that's true and all. Was just making the point sales don't have to be spectacular as long as they can hold up in the profits department. Most Xbox related profit for the time being will be due to the 360 but the Xbox One will start to contribute much more in the longer term.

Sorry, but Xbox has NEVER been profitable, EVER.  The ONLY reason they are showing profit lately, is because they are rolling it up in the same division with Surface and Windows Phone, and masking the losses with the money they extort from Android manufacturers!



binary solo on 18 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
binary solo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

eh maybe it isn't doing so good and maybe it is. Sales aren't the most important factor. We will find out properly in about 4 days when Microsoft release their latest financials

Without sales there's no revenue and without revenue there's no profit and without profit there's no company. So sales are the most important factor. But the most important factor in sales is profit margin. And the financials in 4 days will tell us what we already know. Xbox is a very small piece of MS revenue and profits, and given Xbox 360 remains the driver of software revenue for now, and probably has better profit margins on the hardware the extent to which Xb one is contributing to Xbox division's profits is going to be small.


Yeah that's true and all. Was just making the point sales don't have to be spectacular as long as they can hold up in the profits department. Most Xbox related profit for the time being will be due to the 360 but the Xbox One will start to contribute much more in the longer term.

But only if the hardware sales create the install base. Sure, sales don't have to be spectacular, but they have to be significantly better than they were for the first 5 months of 2014. June NPD is not a basis for concluding a significant improvement in sales long term.

@ the baseball analogy. I would say MS has got one man on base with Sony having hit 2 homers, so if Sony strikes out then MS has a chance of hitting a home run and drawing level. The game ain't over and we're not even in the middle innings. But for now there's nothing to indicate that MS can take a lead in the immediate future.

Anyway a cricket analogy would work better, but fewer people understand that than baseball so I won't bother.



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OfficerRaichu15 on 18 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Enough to understand that

Yeah it's far from over. While I very much doubt Xbox One will outsell the PS4 it isn't a winner takes all competition. Sure going to be an interesting gen.

Rule 3 about anything Video Games

Never doubt anyone it happens that they could come back(ex ps3,genesis,xbox sort of)

Could happen. It's unlikely, but who knows.

Really wondering what rules 1 and 2 are now

heres the rules of video games

1: Atari will always and will be the company that caused the north american crash

2: Competiton is always important so no acting like a fanboy

3: Never doubt any console maker(except atari :P)

4: Micorosoft, Sony, and Nintendo wont go bankrupt for a while

5: Never doubt pokemon,halo, or uncharted as system sellers

6: The rule book can have more rules



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

iceboy151 on 18 July 2014

Finally made it through all these posts!



 

                          

 

Raziel123 on 18 July 2014
iceboy151 said:
Finally made it through all these posts!


Must have been entertaining