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DigitalDevilSummoner said:

 

Myth:  Microsoft was the one that started making us pay for online gaming

Dreamarena was free.

Myth:  Microsoft made it okay to launch a console with faulty hardware

"Also suffered" is grossly missleading. Neither the PS1's nor PS2's fail rates were ever comparable.

Myth:  Microsoft ruined the industry with their exclusivity deals

Again missleading. MS "ruined" or better hindered part of the industry by making games exclusive that were quite simply not selling on the platform. Outside of well known Japanese titles, I think exclusivity also proved out to be a mistake for Alan Wake as well.

 


You just got lucky or didn't buy a PS1 or PS2 early enough.  I'm not saying they where as faulty as early 360's but PS1 and PS2 where far from very reliable consoles in the first couple of years they where on the market.  Also Alan Wake wasn't exclusive since you can buy it for the PC it worked out for Remedy or they wouldn't be making Quantum Break for the X1 right now.



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DigitalDevilSummoner said:

Here's what pisses me off about people defending MS... I like MS ! They don't defend MS, the defend the xbox brand.

I used to speak in favour of Windows in the 90s when they were shit and my friends all used linux.

This is not MS. Hell, this isn't even Microsoft gaming. MS gaming was the shit with flight simulator and AOE. It's just the xbox division that fucked up.

Flight simulator is coming back finally, unfortunately by the people who made train simulator.
FSX + Steam workshop would be awesome.



Chris Hu said:


You just got lucky or didn't buy a PS1 or PS2 early enough.  I'm not saying they where as faulty as early 360's but PS1 and PS2 where far from very reliable consoles in the first couple of years they where on the market.  Also Alan Wake wasn't exclusive since you can buy it for the PC it worked out for Remedy or they wouldn't be making Quantum Break for the X1 right now.

First point, just don't. It was, is and always will be anecdotal.

Second point, Alan wake sales on the 360 were far below expectations resulting in the cancelation of the sequel.



DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Zekkyou said:
They did of course play it safe with the hardware


Comparing flops, wattage and size, one didn't play it as safe as the other.

NobleTeam360 said:
Haters gonna hate, you can't change blind fanboyism with rational discussion.

 

You are trying to be diplomatic when most of the OP is easily refutable.

 

If we are comparing only the base consoles themselves then sure, Sony were riskier with their hardware specs/design. When compared to previous consoles though, the PS4 was still a safe bet. Nothing wrong with that, in-fact i'd say it was a necessary move to create a more stable developer environment within the industry (likely why both MS and Sony independently opted for x86), but it was safe none the less.



DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Chris Hu said:


You just got lucky or didn't buy a PS1 or PS2 early enough.  I'm not saying they where as faulty as early 360's but PS1 and PS2 where far from very reliable consoles in the first couple of years they where on the market.  Also Alan Wake wasn't exclusive since you can buy it for the PC it worked out for Remedy or they wouldn't be making Quantum Break for the X1 right now.

First point, just don't. It was, is and always will be anecdotal.

Second point, Alan wake sales on the 360 were far below expectations resulting in the cancelation of the sequel.


Sales for Alan Wake were not that bad since it got a semi sequel as a XBLA game.  The sales expectation for it where never high to begin with since its not really a main stream game.



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DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Chris Hu said:


You just got lucky or didn't buy a PS1 or PS2 early enough.  I'm not saying they where as faulty as early 360's but PS1 and PS2 where far from very reliable consoles in the first couple of years they where on the market.  Also Alan Wake wasn't exclusive since you can buy it for the PC it worked out for Remedy or they wouldn't be making Quantum Break for the X1 right now.

First point, just don't. It was, is and always will be anecdotal.

Second point, Alan wake sales on the 360 were far below expectations resulting in the cancelation of the sequel.

Also if Remdey would have stayed with Take2/Rockstar and took all the blame for Max Payne 3's sales failure (since they would have been the developer in charge of the game if they stayed) they would probably be out of business right now.  So again teaming up with MS was a good move.



NobleTeam360 said:
Haters gonna hate, you can't change blind fanboyism with rational discussion.


Totally agree.



I don't understand the concept of assigning blame to companies.
I also don't understand the concept of thanking companies.
I simply hold them responsible for what they've done and judge those actions accordingly.



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SvennoJ said:
Really officer, I'm innocent, the guy before me ran the red light too.

So whoever runs the light last is the one to blame?

All Lewis was saying is that, everybody runs the red light; just because somebody's dad runs the red light doesn't mean what your dad did was ok.

And a lot of people blame just others' dads not theirs!!



Ka-pi96 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Yea but Sega died in the hardware business but Microsoft made paying for online popular so....


Microsoft didn't force people to like it, they could have said no. Paying for XBL or PSN is a great deal regardless of what some people think.

Paying for XBL might be a great deal now that it has games with Gold, but before that what exactly was the great deal? Netflix and other similar subscription based apps behind the XBL Gold paywall? How is that a great deal, that's a shafting.

I'm a bit ignorant of the totality of what you got from XBL Gold before games with Gold but my perception is you paid for access to paid apps, and online gaming. That doesn't seem like a great deal to me. At least with PSN+ there have always been the "free" games, but now that online multiplayer is behind the paywall PSN has become slightly shittier, which is disappointing; personally I would have preferred they retain online pass. Ironically it's MS that's selectively moving online play out from behind the paywall starting with Destiny I believe. I guess at least Sony is keeping their FTP games genuinely FTP by making that online play free.



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