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Proxy-Pie on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
CladInShadows said:
daredevil.shark said:
With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. 

What exactly are you basing this on?


With PS1 people got variety. Who wants to rescue a princess who has been kidnapped for the 100th time over and over again? Playstation 1 was about brand new IP and fresh take on gaming.

100th time? I'm sure you realize Mario saved Peach only 3 times by then.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Yea but them with atari also distroyed it leaving Nintendo to clean up the mess they created... Here, watch this, maybe you will learn something but u probably won't even watch it tbh


You know there is a big difference between "creating an industry" and "improving an industry"? Nintendo didnt "created" it. They rescued. Thats all. Nothing more.

Okay fine, then state that instead skipping them entirely... Nintendo Rescued the Industry, Sony changed the playing field and Xbox evolutionized it... I like that better actually, but not showing them even a bit of respect is pretty low



                  

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OmegaRed421 on 12 July 2014
LudicrousSpeed said:
Nintendo revived the industry
Sega provided competition and stabilized it
Sony broadened it
Microsoft fills Segas role now, down to the online play you give MS credit for. Sega actually had their own pay to play online network long before XBL

^This...ecsept I would say Nintendo broadened the market quite a bit more than Sony with the Wii, the casual market was almost completely untapped until the Wii. They more than revived, they saved the industry and set standard practises that are still followed todaythe help keep it alive even in this saturated gaming world.

 Gaming was growing up with or without Sony...N64 had mature games as well as Sega systems.

My two cents...though don't know if it is worth that (But I did grow up during all of it sept for the time of the Atari, I evn remember playing the 3DO which was really kewl for the time)

 



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daredevil.shark on 12 July 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
daredevil.shark said:


You know there is a big difference between "creating an industry" and "improving an industry"? Nintendo didnt "created" it. They rescued. Thats all. Nothing more.

Okay fine, then state that instead skipping them entirely... Nintendo Rescued the Industry, Sony changed the playing field and Xbox evolutionized it... I like that better actually, but not showing them even a bit of respect is pretty low


Please read the thread properly. I already mentioned nintendo rescued the industry. And I also disagreed with OP. But this doesnt change the fast tact since 1995 playstation has lead the gaming industry most of the times. Especially playstaion brand with Xbox brand helped third party developers. And third party developers are main backbone of this industry. And third party games are tough sell in nintendo platsorms.



JWeinCom on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

JWeinCom said:
There is a word for the claim that Sony invented the industry. That word is false. It's simply not true in any way shape or form. You can't even really claim Nintendo invented the industry. You can arguably give the credit to Atari for making the first popular multi cartridge machine or Fairchild for making the first multi cartridge machine. There really isn't any way to say Sony made the market. At best a poor choice of words, at worst just plain silly.

You're talking about introduction of the industry, I'm talking about how it creates the industry we have now.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but it's the same industry.  If you're talking about Rock and Roll, you don't cut out the Beatles because they're not a part of the industry now.  Nor can you discount folk music.  Again, you're just cutting out non Sony parts of the industry and pretending they don't matter.  


The analysis here is laughably biased. Firstly it completely discounts any company that is not Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. Sega for instance had a lot to do with changing the demographics or gaming. Games like Doom also had a lot to do with expanding the market, and that would spillover to console gaming largely with the advent of Halo. It ridiculously discounts Microsofts success as nothing more than taking advantage of Sony's stumble and not crediting them with excellent marketing and some key titles. It also discounts the Wii's role in expanding the market, which undoubtedly spilled over to the 360 and PS3.

All other companies, are basically irrelevant. Sega is now a 3rd party developer. There contrubtions while, necessary, have been suplanted.

When you're talking about how the industry evolved, they do still matter.  You can't give Sony all of the credit for shifting the demographics and then act like Mortal Kombat on Genesis never happened. 

I don't mean to discredit what Sony did, but all the same, you can't write off any success Ninty and Microsoft had as either a slip up on Sony's part or a straight fluke. This is an analysis that only carries some sort of weight because Sony is doing well in a young generation which will inevitably see the pendulum swing closer to equilibrium between XBox and Playstation with the Wii U as a wildcard, but its claims are specious.

The purpose of this is to describe why Nintendo has a problem in the industry today, not simply to credit a company with the state of the market today. The reason why this is PS's market is because of 3rd parties and market demographics. Xbox can compete with this because MS as a company is similar to Sony in many ways that Nintendo is not. And Since Sony and Later MS have come into the industry, this has been proven time and time again, with Nintendo only leading the packet when they are competing outside of the traditional console market space.

If your point is to not simply credit a company with the state of the market today, maybe don't say "Playstation create the industry?"  Because, that's what that statement does.  Again, you're just chopping off any part of the industry not Sony dominated as it exists. 

The point is that Nintendo can succeed if they tap into and lock onto an untapped market, or change the one we currently have back to its favor. However, it doesn't have the power, influence, or relevance currently to do the former.

In regards to PS vs Xbox, which ever one of them draws on the greater portion of the audience will win, simple as that.

Uhhhh yeah, I know who ever sells more will win.  And if Nintendo draws on another part of the industry, as they did with the Wii and continue to do with the 3DS, that becomes part of the industry. 





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JWeinCom on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
AshKetchum1992 said:
daredevil.shark said:
Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation.

Which game? :O

Rescuing a princess who gets kidnapped on a regular basis.

By that time you'd rescued the princess 3 times.  Super Mario Bros 1, 3, World.  Four if you lived in Japan. 



Nirvana_Nut85 on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

The delusion is strong in this thread. For those of us who were actually around in the early 90's, everyone knew the only reason the PS1 beat out the N64 was due to nintendo stupidly choosing cartidge. The industry was heading towards catering to older gamers with mature content as games like Doom, Mortal Kombat,etc proved this. Sony basically got bullshit lucky with both Nintendo and Sega making bad choices in hardware design which led to the vast majority of 3rd party jumping ship. They neither innovated nor created this current market. 

Let u not forget who brought the FPS genre into the spotlight on consoles

Where did I mention the FPS genre?

I was editing my response while you commented so I took the liberty to paste it. 



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jigokutamago on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
CladInShadows said:
daredevil.shark said:
With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. 

What exactly are you basing this on?


With PS1 people got variety. Who wants to rescue a princess who has been kidnapped for the 100th time over and over again? Playstation 1 was about brand new IP and fresh take on gaming.

Ironic, condisering that PS1's 20 top selling games are actually just a variation 12 games, with only 8 of them being new ips, the rest being sequels or sequels to the new ips. If new experiences is what attracted consumers to the PS1, they sure forgot about buying new experiences once they got the console.



AshKetchum1992 on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
AshKetchum1992 said:
daredevil.shark said:
Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation.

Which game? :O

Rescuing a princess who gets kidnapped on a regular basis.

So you're saying that there was only Mario at that time or what?



daredevil.shark on 12 July 2014
AshKetchum1992 said:
daredevil.shark said:

Rescuing a princess who gets kidnapped on a regular basis.

So you're saying that there was only Mario at that time or what?


99% nintendo IPs are like that. Plus nintendo bullied third party developers a lot during NES era with total control over cartridge. Playstation saved them.