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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

JWeinCom said:
There is a word for the claim that Sony invented the industry. That word is false. It's simply not true in any way shape or form. You can't even really claim Nintendo invented the industry. You can arguably give the credit to Atari for making the first popular multi cartridge machine or Fairchild for making the first multi cartridge machine. There really isn't any way to say Sony made the market. At best a poor choice of words, at worst just plain silly.

You're talking about introduction of the industry, I'm talking about how it creates the industry we have now.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but it's the same industry.  If you're talking about Rock and Roll, you don't cut out the Beatles because they're not a part of the industry now.  Nor can you discount folk music.  Again, you're just cutting out non Sony parts of the industry and pretending they don't matter.  


The analysis here is laughably biased. Firstly it completely discounts any company that is not Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. Sega for instance had a lot to do with changing the demographics or gaming. Games like Doom also had a lot to do with expanding the market, and that would spillover to console gaming largely with the advent of Halo. It ridiculously discounts Microsofts success as nothing more than taking advantage of Sony's stumble and not crediting them with excellent marketing and some key titles. It also discounts the Wii's role in expanding the market, which undoubtedly spilled over to the 360 and PS3.

All other companies, are basically irrelevant. Sega is now a 3rd party developer. There contrubtions while, necessary, have been suplanted.

When you're talking about how the industry evolved, they do still matter.  You can't give Sony all of the credit for shifting the demographics and then act like Mortal Kombat on Genesis never happened. 

I don't mean to discredit what Sony did, but all the same, you can't write off any success Ninty and Microsoft had as either a slip up on Sony's part or a straight fluke. This is an analysis that only carries some sort of weight because Sony is doing well in a young generation which will inevitably see the pendulum swing closer to equilibrium between XBox and Playstation with the Wii U as a wildcard, but its claims are specious.

The purpose of this is to describe why Nintendo has a problem in the industry today, not simply to credit a company with the state of the market today. The reason why this is PS's market is because of 3rd parties and market demographics. Xbox can compete with this because MS as a company is similar to Sony in many ways that Nintendo is not. And Since Sony and Later MS have come into the industry, this has been proven time and time again, with Nintendo only leading the packet when they are competing outside of the traditional console market space.

If your point is to not simply credit a company with the state of the market today, maybe don't say "Playstation create the industry?"  Because, that's what that statement does.  Again, you're just chopping off any part of the industry not Sony dominated as it exists. 

The point is that Nintendo can succeed if they tap into and lock onto an untapped market, or change the one we currently have back to its favor. However, it doesn't have the power, influence, or relevance currently to do the former.

In regards to PS vs Xbox, which ever one of them draws on the greater portion of the audience will win, simple as that.

Uhhhh yeah, I know who ever sells more will win.  And if Nintendo draws on another part of the industry, as they did with the Wii and continue to do with the 3DS, that becomes part of the industry.