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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
MohammadBadir said:
Wouldn't be more fitting to say Nintendo's the one who started it, and Playstation's the one who changed it?

No because gaming as an industry form preceeds Nintendo.

When I say PlayStation created the industry, I mean that PS created the version of the industry that we have now. It's no longer Nintendo's industry and every generation from the PS1 including handhelds prove that. Nintendo dominates with Handhelds, Nintendo won with the Wii. In both cases, Nintendo address a new untapped part of the industry i.e the non-gamers like Grandma and Joe's Mom. The 64, GC, and Wii U all have had the smallest portion of marketshare, even worse considering the Wii U released a year before its competitors. The standard market is incompatible with Nintendo.

Xbox modified it even further by introducing Online, something PS could do with little difficulty, as an electronics company, but something much more daunting for Nintendo.

This is why Nintendo's 3rd party support is declining while X1 has remained intact despite the Wii U having larger marketshare at the moment. 


The industry we have now had kim Kardashian making games that sell. Sony did what they did, nintendo, did what it did, and microsoft did what it did. Competition changed the intdustry not one company. 



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fps_d0minat0r said:


yeah because non nintendo games are not quality right....


Not what I said though, is it?



I would like to add another point. Many are saying Nintendo innovated most in 7th gen. Nope. They didn't innovated anything in 7th gen. They stole Philips's idea about motion control.



I would say:

Atarii/Arcades Created it.

Nintendo Saved it.

SEGA Contributed.

Sony Changed it.

Microsoft Changed it more.

Future? Who knows!



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Play4Fun said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
 


yeah because non nintendo games are not quality right....


Not what I said though, is it?


In that case, you dont have a point of worth.



For the record, after sleeping in on it I realize that I made a mistake in my classification of the Wii's market. In reality, we can't know if is gamer, non-gamer, hardcore, etc. even with the market increase and even if we have a general idea that casuals are who picked up the Wii, because that is still subjective.
Furthermore, It presents a problem when I introduce the PS1.
So from this point further, I've changed it.

The PS1 and PS2 introduced a new market that supplanted the old, one where focus on 3rd parties and broadened demographics became more important. Sure other companies did, but since this discussion is limited to how it affects the big 3 today, those companies are irrelevant. Because PlayStation changed the market for traditional home consoles, it became incompatible with Nintendo. This is mostly due that as a game developer themselves, Nintendo controlled other 3rd parties to maintain dominance. Since PS opened the doors on 3rd parties that approach has certainly backfired, and Nintendo's 3rd party support has been dwindling ever since, peaking with the GameCube. In the 4 generations, competing against PlayStation in the industry, console failings notwithstanding, the Wii was the only one that was first because it address a new market in the same way that the PS1 originally did. However, unlike the PS2, it has yet to capitalize on that market in 8th generation despite an uncontested year lead.
Since I can't describe the demographic of the Wii's marketshare, its erroneous to say that they moved on to mobile devices, but I can say that the popularity of mobile gaming may be affecting home consoles and are certainly affecting the industry as a whole, shifting focus there. but that is all I can say.

While its early, its obvious that thus far they have not solidified this market, if they can, and so trying to compete within PS market as before is obviously not going to work for Nintendo.



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fps_d0minat0r said:
Play4Fun said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
 


yeah because non nintendo games are not quality right....


Not what I said though, is it?


In that case, you dont have a point of worth.

That's true, if you lack comprehension. 



Play4Fun said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
 


atleast they got more to chose from than on nintendo consoles.


High quality > Quantity. Muehehehehheheheee...

Mnementh said:
Intrinsic said:
 

I will have to agree with the OP. Sony didnt start or pioneer console gaming as it is, but the created the console gaming industry as we know it today.


That's another way of saying they changed it. If you see it this way - the industry today isn't the one Sony created. That was the industry back in the 6th gen. Today the industry has online, achievements, focus on shooters and realistic graphics. The things MS introduced with the XBOX and expanded ith the 360. Today we have no longer the industry Playstation created, this is the industry Xbox created.

Yep, but alot of people would never admit that because they prefer to knock down MS.

If OP was really trying to say the industry as it is today is mostly due to Sony, I would have to agree with you and say MS had more influence on the way PS4 and Xbox 1  currently are than Sony.

I think this is all a very tricky topic. and its really hard to pin point who had the most influence into shaping the industry into what it is today. But its possible though.

I still stand by sony being responsible for what and where the industry is today and that its not MS. Here's why. Even after the NES and the SNES and having Sega on board to the 3rd and 4th gen of consoles didnt do anything to change the way the world looked at gaming or how the business of consoles was conducted. In the 5th gen when sony came in they changed all that.

Its common knowlege that sony came into the industry at a time when console gaming was still generally referred to as a toy. This was at a time when Microsoft clearly came out and said they would never make a console and how consoles as a business doesn't make sense. In the very same way that not very at sony even supported the idea of making a console. Its easy to look back and say MS did this and did that, but MS wouldn't even have come into the industry if not for the success of PS1. Once they came in, they simply did what MS would do based on their roots and expertise and thats why we got a well thought out OS and connected service. Thats not saying they didnt do anything great, just that even that feat can be attributed to sony.

Nintendo on the other hand, they are still doing exactly what they were always doing post Playstation era, still extremely resistant to any kinda significant change, still somehow managing to have a mostly traditional console in this day and age down to a limited 3rd party support. And that is why they are where they are today.