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mornelithe said:
IkePoR said:

That entire argument could, and actually should be completely flipped around.  Why are you blaming a multi-billion dollar company for doing what it exists to do?  Trying to make money.  Isn't it up to the consumer to judge what is and isn't healthy for the industry?  Isn't it the consumer, who, through their wallets, tells developers the direction to go in?  So then, should it not be the consumers fault, when they allow such things to become profitable?  Why would you blame Sony, or Microsoft, or EA, or Activision etc... for doing what they do, and turn a blind eye to the consumer who is encouraging such practices?  Seems like misplaced blame, frankly.

If people don't like the idea, I'm sure Sony will harpoon it before it goes live.  However, given the popularity of the Steam Early Access program, I wouldn't count on it.

Just becaue you're cool with them giving you the finger while they make their money doesn't mean everyone is.  There's ways to make money while still respecting the consumer.  To pretend that the things those companies you named dropped have to do all the slimy things they've done over the years is not true.

Where in my statement did I say I'm cool with them giving me the finger?  *chuckle* See, they don't give me the finger, because I don't buy shit games.  $60 pays for allot of gas to get me to places I need to go, or allot of fishing equipment, or etc...  The days where I just throw $60 at an unknown quantity are long, long over.

Bolded:  That's not their problem, until we make it their problem.  If everyone jumps on the train, they assume it's been accepted, and run with it.  The fault rests with the consumer, not the company.

Italics: I never said they have to do them, I simply said the consumers allowed it to occur.  Again, the consumers are responsible for this.  Companies exist to make money, consumers have to keep them in check...and when they don't, the industry assumes it's accepted and then moves on to the next new revenue stream.

You can ignore them giving you the finger, but they're still giving it to you.

To justify companies disrespecting the consumer by making it the consumers fault is ridiculous.  It's like asking a rape victim "what did you do to get raped?"  Even if everyone is "jumping on a train" it doesn't mean they're protected from criticism.

Cancer exists to self replicate.  Do you tell a doctor "No I don't want chemo, the cancer's just doing it's thing"?  Existing to do something doesn't mean it's cool when you're disrespecting the unknowing consumer and contributing to a not far off crash of the industry.

What ever happened to quality control departments? Why does this fall in the consumers lap?  Why is the customer doing the companies job FOR THEM?



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naruball said:

Developers can do whatever they want. Release an hour long game and charge £40 for it. If people are willing to spend their money on DLC, season passes, easrly access, etc, more power to them. I won't stop them and I have no right to tell them what's good for them. It's their decision. Like you, I vote with my wallet and strongly disagree with such practises. BUT, if people want to spend their money on such things, so be it.

The way I see it, the only proper reason to complain is if it actually limits your options. This doesn't.


Thats a terrible way to look at things. The "just dont buy it" argument doesnt work. We dont buy it, but people that dont know any better do and ruins it for the rest of us. They arent thinking about the long time effect.

Thats like saying "Yeah, I dont care if theres drug dealers out there, just dont buy their drugs and theyll stop"



KLXVER said:
naruball said:

Developers can do whatever they want. Release an hour long game and charge £40 for it. If people are willing to spend their money on DLC, season passes, easrly access, etc, more power to them. I won't stop them and I have no right to tell them what's good for them. It's their decision. Like you, I vote with my wallet and strongly disagree with such practises. BUT, if people want to spend their money on such things, so be it.

The way I see it, the only proper reason to complain is if it actually limits your options. This doesn't.


Thats a terrible way to look at things. The "just dont buy it" argument doesnt work. We dont buy it, but people that dont know any better do and ruins it for the rest of us. They arent thinking about the long time effect.

Thats like saying "Yeah, I dont care if theres drug dealers out there, just dont buy their drugs and theyll stop"

That's not even remotely close and you know it. How exactly does it ruin it for you?



KLXVER said:
How many services on the PS4 are you going to charge people for Sony? Enough already! People with PS+ should get this included. If you want the community to be involved, then do so without charging them for it!

My god, I know Sony is having some financial trouble, but this is just ridiculous...

Errrrrr.......... I don't think you understand what or how an early access program works.

OP: I really wish they don't do this, DLC is already fragmenting games with deveopler cutting sections out so they can just make it a DLC (just look at the amount of games that have DLC details, screenshots or trailers before the main title is even released) allowing them sell games before they are complete under the banner of "early access" will just make stuff a lot worse.



naruball said:

Developers can do whatever they want. Release an hour long game and charge £40 for it. If people are willing to spend their money on DLC, season passes, easrly access, etc, more power to them. I won't stop them and I have no right to tell them what's good for them. It's their decision. Like you, I vote with my wallet and strongly disagree with such practises. BUT, if people want to spend their money on such things, so be it.

The way I see it, the only proper reason to complain is if it actually limits your options. This doesn't.

You and Euphoria get it. People complain about Day1 dlc, season passes, etc. all the time but it's not stopping developers/publishers. I for one, do not plan to support these things. I will simply take advantage when the oppurtunity presents itself.



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naruball said:
KLXVER said:
naruball said:

Developers can do whatever they want. Release an hour long game and charge £40 for it. If people are willing to spend their money on DLC, season passes, easrly access, etc, more power to them. I won't stop them and I have no right to tell them what's good for them. It's their decision. Like you, I vote with my wallet and strongly disagree with such practises. BUT, if people want to spend their money on such things, so be it.

The way I see it, the only proper reason to complain is if it actually limits your options. This doesn't.


Thats a terrible way to look at things. The "just dont buy it" argument doesnt work. We dont buy it, but people that dont know any better do and ruins it for the rest of us. They arent thinking about the long time effect.

Thats like saying "Yeah, I dont care if theres drug dealers out there, just dont buy their drugs and theyll stop"

That's not even remotely close and you know it. How exactly does it ruin it for you?


Having to pay for games before they are done?

If the game has online MP, then the people getting early access will be better at the game before I can play it? 

Random gamers have a say in franchises I like?

More focus on digital only games?



Intrinsic said:
KLXVER said:
How many services on the PS4 are you going to charge people for Sony? Enough already! People with PS+ should get this included. If you want the community to be involved, then do so without charging them for it!

My god, I know Sony is having some financial trouble, but this is just ridiculous...

Errrrrr.......... I don't think you understand what or how an early access program works.


I think I do, but feel free to educate me if you believe Im wrong.



KLXVER said:
mornelithe said:

Don't buy games without demo's, when numerous titles flop day 1 and the feedback they get is lack of demo.  They'll rethink their strategy.  But, getting a gamer to resist that next fix is akin to asking a heroin junky to resist the temptation of their next fix.


So if I stop buying games without a demo, then publishers will take notice?

Well, here you find the crux of the issue we're in.  Because people didn't recognize how the removal of demo's could impact the industry, and thus made it profitable for companies to just not release demo's.  It will now take a concerted effort from gamer's to reverse that course.  And, to the delight of publishers/devs/manufacturers, gamer's have yet to be able to really speak with one voice and tell the industry Aww hell naw, because they're too busy defending their hardware of choice, or their IP of choice.  Notice how fast Microsoft reversed course on the DRM thing, that was because the industry responded with a resounding no.  Those kinds of critique's of policy need to be made more often, if we hope to have any control over the industry.



mornelithe said:

Well, here you find the crux of the issue we're in.  Because people didn't recognize how the removal of demo's could impact the industry, and thus made it profitable for companies to just not release demo's.  It will now take a concerted effort from gamer's to reverse that course.  And, to the delight of publishers/devs/manufacturers, gamer's have yet to be able to really speak with one voice and tell the industry Aww hell naw, because they're too busy defending their hardware of choice, or their IP of choice.  Notice how fast Microsoft reversed course on the DRM thing, that was because the industry responded with a resounding no.  Those kinds of critique's of policy need to be made more often, if we hope to have any control over the industry.


It could be too late by then, sadly...



IkePoR said:

You can ignore them giving you the finger, but they're still giving it to you.

To justify companies disrespecting the consumer by making it the consumers fault is ridiculous.  It's like asking a rape victim "what did you do to get raped?"  Even if everyone is "jumping on a train" it doesn't mean they're protected from criticism.

Cancer exists to self replicate.  Do you tell a doctor "No I don't want chemo, the cancer's just doing it's thing"?  Existing to do something doesn't mean it's cool when you're disrespecting the unknowing consumer and contributing to a not far off crash of the industry.

What ever happened to quality control departments? Why does this fall in the consumers lap?  Why is the customer doing the companies job FOR THEM?

Someone who gives me the finger, without my knowledge, is about as important to me as an anthill in Africa.  It's simply not.

Drawing a parallel to rape here is woefully inappropriate, and stupid.  In every avenue of business, the consumer controls the market and the companies react to align themselves with consumer demands, those companies who do not react quickly enough, find themselves in pretty poor financial states, and have to rethink their strategy.

Let me ask you, do you buy cars, houses, or other electronics with zero research?  Why do the same for games, or consoles, or other hardware, just because the pricing is lower?  The 'Oh poor consumer' line is total bullshit, and a cop out of your responsibilities with your money.  Nobody makes you buy anything, nobody forces you to play anything.  If you buy a shit game, that's your fault.  Not the companies.