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NobleTeam360 on 10 July 2014
Arkaign said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Damn, journalism just continues to get better and better /s. Anyone remember the old days when journalists actually had to check their info before reporting it?


Check info? It was a direct statement from a MS exec. Wtf?

And yet other sources (Phil Spencer and Larry) both said that statement was wrong. 



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Arkaign on 10 July 2014
NobleTeam360 said:
Arkaign said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Damn, journalism just continues to get better and better /s. Anyone remember the old days when journalists actually had to check their info before reporting it?


Check info? It was a direct statement from a MS exec. Wtf?

And yet other sources (Phil Spencer and Larry) both said that statement was wrong. 


Yes and that's fine, but that's also rare. The report didn't make anything up. It was a MS guy saying something very cut and dry. It's not normal for a different set of people (who primarily work PR) to come say something completely different later. The first guy is no peon, and he also had no reason to lie about it. Even the denial sounded fairly generic and non specific at best. There is a great GAF thread on the subject and it was also something that was totally absent from e3. Which sort of leads one to assume after a year that it's either been bumped way off or has been shelved. The point was also made that it invites security/piracy risks to the console.

 

To be fair I think anyone bashing ms over it not existing is being silly, it's a terrible idea to begin with. It's not as if it's difficult to get a legit secure dev kit.



Machiavellian on 10 July 2014
Shinobi-san said:
Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
Probably not a big deal...however another 180 for MS is more bad press. something they still haven't managed to fix entirely yet.

Really??  The only people who would care about this type of stuff are fanboys fueling their list to go to battle against the opposite fanboys.  When all said and done this means nothing to the average consumer and would not change the viability of the X1 as a product.


This is what people were saying about the decisions MS made back when the X1 first came out. But considering that almost every piece of gaming news gets much more publicity these days, especially on youtube, id say this will get added to a long list of MS 180's with regards to the X1 and further the bad image of the console and the company. All these 180 decisions might be small but they add up.

And like i said in my initial comment...probably not a big deal.

@Bolded:  The only people who care about MS 180s are fanboys on both sides of the fence.  Sony Fanboys use it as a negative, MS fanboys use it as a positive.  In the middle are the consumers who just care about how much a console cost and will it have the games I want to play.  Even today, only fanboys remember about 180s MS, Sony and even Nintendo has made during the previous generation.  These types of things only add up on the fanboy battlefield then anything else.

From what I have seen, if its a positive 180 your average consumer take it as such.  Fanboys on the other side of the fence try to spin it as a negative.  Negative 180s are only revelant if you are affected which in this case will be a very small group.


Are you trying to argue that the decisions MS has made has not had an impact on sales? And are you also suggesting that the X1 doesnt have a bad image?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying the decisions MS has made with the X1 has contributed significantly to it's relatively bad image. And its had a direct impact on sales. X1 and PS4 created massive buzz end of last year...some of the most watched youtube videos are about next gen consoles...if you think this is only fanboys then i cant agree with that.

It's obviously not a deciding factor when average people buy consoles...but the image of a console definitely contributes to it, as well as the publicity the console gets on the net.

i believe a 100 dollar price point above your competition and having the weakest hardware is more the problem then the PR blunders.  Those blunders can be easily fixed, hardware and dollar amount cannot.  Now that the PS4 has a significant lead, it will continue to outsell because people usually buys what hot and also what their friends have.

What I am saying is that none of this type of stuff will mean anything in the next 6 months or better.  Games will start to separate the 2 systems more than anything else.  Only fanboys will care about bringing up this stuff in threads where the average gamer care little about joining.



NobleTeam360 on 10 July 2014
Arkaign said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Arkaign said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Damn, journalism just continues to get better and better /s. Anyone remember the old days when journalists actually had to check their info before reporting it?


Check info? It was a direct statement from a MS exec. Wtf?

And yet other sources (Phil Spencer and Larry) both said that statement was wrong. 


Yes and that's fine, but that's also rare. The report didn't make anything up. It was a MS guy saying something very cut and dry. It's not normal for a different set of people (who primarily work PR) to come say something completely different later. The first guy is no peon, and he also had no reason to lie about it. Even the denial sounded fairly generic and non specific at best. There is a great GAF thread on the subject and it was also something that was totally absent from e3. Which sort of leads one to assume after a year that it's either been bumped way off or has been shelved. The point was also made that it invites security/piracy risks to the console.

 

To be fair I think anyone bashing ms over it not existing is being silly, it's a terrible idea to begin with. It's not as if it's difficult to get a legit secure dev kit.

I never said they made anything up, even the MS guy needs to get his facts straight instead of just assuming something. Although I personally wouldn't care if they did scarp this as I have no plans to develop games anyway, I'm sure this would upset a few people though. 



Shinobi-san on 10 July 2014
Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
Probably not a big deal...however another 180 for MS is more bad press. something they still haven't managed to fix entirely yet.

Really??  The only people who would care about this type of stuff are fanboys fueling their list to go to battle against the opposite fanboys.  When all said and done this means nothing to the average consumer and would not change the viability of the X1 as a product.


This is what people were saying about the decisions MS made back when the X1 first came out. But considering that almost every piece of gaming news gets much more publicity these days, especially on youtube, id say this will get added to a long list of MS 180's with regards to the X1 and further the bad image of the console and the company. All these 180 decisions might be small but they add up.

And like i said in my initial comment...probably not a big deal.

@Bolded:  The only people who care about MS 180s are fanboys on both sides of the fence.  Sony Fanboys use it as a negative, MS fanboys use it as a positive.  In the middle are the consumers who just care about how much a console cost and will it have the games I want to play.  Even today, only fanboys remember about 180s MS, Sony and even Nintendo has made during the previous generation.  These types of things only add up on the fanboy battlefield then anything else.

From what I have seen, if its a positive 180 your average consumer take it as such.  Fanboys on the other side of the fence try to spin it as a negative.  Negative 180s are only revelant if you are affected which in this case will be a very small group.


Are you trying to argue that the decisions MS has made has not had an impact on sales? And are you also suggesting that the X1 doesnt have a bad image?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying the decisions MS has made with the X1 has contributed significantly to it's relatively bad image. And its had a direct impact on sales. X1 and PS4 created massive buzz end of last year...some of the most watched youtube videos are about next gen consoles...if you think this is only fanboys then i cant agree with that.

It's obviously not a deciding factor when average people buy consoles...but the image of a console definitely contributes to it, as well as the publicity the console gets on the net.

i believe a 100 dollar price point above your competition and having the weakest hardware is more the problem then the PR blunders.  Those blunders can be easily fixed, hardware and dollar amount cannot.  Now that the PS4 has a significant lead, it will continue to outsell because people usually buys what hot and also what their friends have.

What I am saying is that none of this type of stuff will mean anything in the next 6 months or better.  Games will start to separate the 2 systems more than anything else.  Only fanboys will care about bringing up this stuff in threads where the average gamer care little about joining.


I would say MS has struggled to rectify the damage done by the bad image of the X1. They are still actively trying to fix it...to say that people will simply forget about every decision they have made is a bit silly. Also its not so much about the various decisions they have made but put them all together and people have been noticing. Price has obviously been the most influential factor...but that doesnt mean there arent others.



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