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Is a price drop coming in 2014?

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They just dropped $100 by releasing the SKU without the Kinect. That makes them exactly the same price as PS4. Why would there be another price cut? I don't understand at all.



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Bundles without a price cut would be as effective, add value in line with new launch titles for final third of the year. Bundles would add value to gamers. The price cut should come in 2015. There is no need to worry about first place, it is already gone. It is better to remain profitable and settle for second place and fight the Wii U in head to head sales.



Arkaign said:
No, that's not even remotely accurate on many levels.

First, businesses are not replacing desktop PCs with tablets, that's patently absurd.
Second, businesses are not overwhelmingly replacing desktop PCs with laptops, but even when they are (not often feasible due to higher cost, lower productivity due to small screens and lower reliability), they are replacing them with Windows laptops, which essentially serve the same purpose. OSX has very little footprint in the business sector.

Tablets and convertibles are consumer-level devices for the most part. Surface Pro series is interesting, I just deployed 8 of them this past week for a particularly interesting firm, but they are companions to their desktop units, not replacements. Ironically, their previous configuration was exclusively Toshiba ultrabooks, but now they have Desktops with multiple displays for in-office use, and the Surface Pro 3s for road use, already packed and ready to go, zero disconnection/hassles involved in coming/going from the office.

All that is immaterial though, the VAST bulk of business PCs sold are chosen for large firms by an IT director with consultation with the CFO and budget managers, and the individual worker has zero choice on what it's going to be. You are simply issued one, and you get what you get. We're talking large firms here : GM, Toyota, Raytheon, TI, etc. I know because I've worked for most of these firms in a consultant basis over the past two decades in that capacity.

Too bad for the companies using your services.  Your "old school" approach from almost 20 years of experience seems to be failing them. 

In the last 3 -5 years, many large companies have adopted the bring your own device of ipads and other tablets.  The thing they are learning is that these outside units are bringing extra security risks.  Just in the last 2 years, many companies are begining to block all of these outside devices.  But, they also know that the tablets and laptops are essential for a growing  portion of their staff.  For extremely large firms, the percentage of employees like this would be smaller.  The benefit for the company buying these devices has a lot to do with security.  They have their own security softare and protocols on these devices.  I haven't seen any companies actually converting to any IOS devices either.

You mentioned the screen size.  My company also converted over a portion of the people using laptops to Surface pros last year.  We all got the pro unit and a docking station.  I still use 2 large monitors and a standard keyboard and mouse when I am at my desk.  When I leave for meetings both in the office or out, I grab the Surface and go.  When i get back to my desk, I just set it back in the dock and all of my stuff works again.  We have another batch of computers getting swapped out in August, and they plan to convert those to Surface Pro 3s.  The idea of a little bigger screen seems to be appealing to everyone.

I am not speaking for just my company, but 3 others that I know of that we do business with are doing the same or similar.

Peoples and businesses will adopt similar systems more and more as the availability  increases and the price of these units start to drop over the next few years.

As you are proof, it takes a long time to change the mindshare of the IT groups and leadership. 

I know that there will be a place for a huge amount of standard PCs for many many years to come, but technology changes are proving things may be different that just 4-5 years ago.



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Their desktop workload is not a good match for the slow dual-core processors in the Surface Pros, they use them on the go for email and office documents only. In office they deal with Solidworks and Premiere Pro. The ram and storage limitations of the Surface Pro 3 are very low as well.

It's a great on the go device, but horribly underpowered for serious usage.

Meh, I guess making assumptions is bad for your train of logic.



Arkaign said:

Their desktop workload is not a good match for the slow dual-core processors in the Surface Pros, they use them on the go for email and office documents only. In office they deal with Solidworks and Premiere Pro. The ram and storage limitations of the Surface Pro 3 are very low as well.

It's a great on the go device, but horribly underpowered for serious usage.

Meh, I guess making assumptions is bad for your train of logic.

We have both made some assumptions.

Almost all CAD based programs can run on as little as 2gb of RAM, with system recommendations of 8gb.  Of course, the 8gb of RAM on the Surface Pros and similar tablets are adequete.  Under the most ideal circumstances for heavy CAD users you are absolutely correct in that the dual core processor and intel video cards are not realy close to ideal.  Under your example, the desktop and tablet concept makes a lot more sense.  I do know that you can run Autocad and ArcGis fine on the Surface Pro 2s.  We use them regularly in meetings with no problems. 

I don't follow the Storage problem that you suggest.  Most of the files that people use are on the server in these corporate networked environments.  Sure, heavy duty users will keep their working version of what they are doing locally to speed up processing time.  But the Surface and similar devices have 256 or even 500+ GB of storage on them. Surely, that would be enough for most projects.  Also, with cloud storage, there are no limits to what you have wherever you go.  External storage is cheap enough now that extremely large files can be brought along with you if needed with that scenario.

Based on how fast companies have progressed the power of these PC/tablets in the last 2 years, I would guess that within the next 2-3 years there will be a product out there to fit 95%+ of the users. 

Interesting view points either way.



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Screamapillar said:
They just dropped $100 by releasing the SKU without the Kinect. That makes them exactly the same price as PS4. Why would there be another price cut? I don't understand at all.

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Guess people won't feel the need to criticize X1 specs.....as much, if the console is cheaper by comparison to compensate. Like say $350 come November. Like last gen, Xbox needs to be cheaper to get some sort of edge.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

No way.



It's the local encodable media that hasn't been ideal for cloud storage. They had a SharePoint server running and local exchange, but even then, encoding over lan was not great. They dumped local exchange for Microsoft hosted, and dumped local SharePoint for Egnyte. It's worked out really well for the most part. A few of the users are into multiple TB of data that they need high availability, which is kept on their desktops mirrored to ELC and local Egnyte nas for direct cloud mirror on a device that can be accessible at a good speed, but still backed up by the cloud service.

We tried Solidworks on the SP2 and SP3, and it seems the drivers just aren't there yet. Modeling glitches, and some of their really large models seem to cause the units to hang after a while. I notice that the CPU will peg max turbo for about 5-15 seconds, then dip drastically lower probably due to thermal limits. Even so, it's a superb design IMHO for what it is. On desktop they can use Quadro cards. I like the FirePro stuff myself but as the Quadros always seemto be perfect with SW I just stick with it. 1tb raid 840 pro for a few, 500gb 840 pro for the rest, with spinners for bulk data. And of course their desktops allow for quad and hex Xeons. I tell them that i7 are mostly the same but the WS builds have worked wonderfully so far. Only downside is ECC ram isn't available with extremely high speeds.

They really like the Surface Pros for out of office work. They're also very pleased that the 3s have a taller screen, wide and short isn't ideal for business usage. Their desktops are all 16:10 @ 2560x1600, which replaced 1920x1200 with the old laptop setup.



Dark Chaos said:
jnemesh said:
No price drop this year. Doing so now would be an incredible sign of weakness right before the big holiday sales season kicks off and before their overhyped exclusives launch. You WILL see a COD bundle, a Halo bundle, and probably a Sunset Overdrive bundle for the holidays though...and when those don't move, THEN you will see a modest ($50) price cut next winter. That's IF (and it's a big IF) the shareholders dont get impatient for SOME signs of profit from this money pit of a division.

Personally, I think it's all over except for the crying for the Xbox.

 

Sign of weakness?? What does that mean?? When Sony cut the price for the PS3 and Nintendo did for the 3ds was that also signs of weakness?

Also, check your facts before spewing nonsense. Microsft has profited off the Xbox division for the past 4 years.

Actually, sir, it is YOU who needs to check their facts.  The Xbox division has NEVER been profitable.  They have positive INCOME over the past 4 years...NOT profit.  Income does not equal profit.  Read the earnings statements a little closer next time, and filter out the spin.



jnemesh said:
Dark Chaos said:
jnemesh said:
No price drop this year. Doing so now would be an incredible sign of weakness right before the big holiday sales season kicks off and before their overhyped exclusives launch. You WILL see a COD bundle, a Halo bundle, and probably a Sunset Overdrive bundle for the holidays though...and when those don't move, THEN you will see a modest ($50) price cut next winter. That's IF (and it's a big IF) the shareholders dont get impatient for SOME signs of profit from this money pit of a division.

Personally, I think it's all over except for the crying for the Xbox.

 

Sign of weakness?? What does that mean?? When Sony cut the price for the PS3 and Nintendo did for the 3ds was that also signs of weakness?

Also, check your facts before spewing nonsense. Microsft has profited off the Xbox division for the past 4 years.

Actually, sir, it is YOU who needs to check their facts.  The Xbox division has NEVER been profitable.  They have positive INCOME over the past 4 years...NOT profit.  Income does not equal profit.  Read the earnings statements a little closer next time, and filter out the spin.

Source?
Operating Income is Profit. Read again