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A_C_E on 10 July 2014
VanceIX said:

1. I know plenty about the real world to know when a company screws up developmental cycles. Sony was ill-prepared for the summer, so much that they had to make a year-old remaster their flagship title. That's undeinable. 

2. I would expect double FPS/consistent FPS on new hardware. Of course, very few people complained about the FPS on the original game anyway, so I don't see where you're coming from.

3. And yes, I'll agree with you there, the money will be spent on newer projects. Still doesn't mean it's not a slap in the face of the 50% of the PS4 owners who already own a PS3 and were looking forward to playing more original content this summer. If TLOU was released as a secondary title with multiple other AAA titles in the spotlight, it would be fine. As it is, the only flagship title Sony had prepared for PS4 owners for the summer was a year-old remaster that is only slightly upgraded.

1. Sony screwed up their developement cycle? Really? Sony has stated that they are cutting back on funding AAA content and instead focus on making their current games more successful. Its not a screw up, its a financial decision. Since when is Sony making TLoU, a year old game, their flagship title? The only people who think of this title as such are the people who are waiting to play it, not the people selling it. I've seen barely any advertising for this game but its Sony's flaghsip title? Since when does a flagship title release in the summer time?

2. I'm sorry you don't know where I'm coming from.

3. I'm just trying to figure out your angle here. Are you saying that if TLoU was not releasing this summer then its ok to own both a PS3 and PS4 but since TLoU is releasing this summer its shitty to own a PS3 and PS4? If so, explain your logic behind that.



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VanceIX on 10 July 2014
A_C_E said:
VanceIX said:

1. I know plenty about the real world to know when a company screws up developmental cycles. Sony was ill-prepared for the summer, so much that they had to make a year-old remaster their flagship title. That's undeinable. 

2. I would expect double FPS/consistent FPS on new hardware. Of course, very few people complained about the FPS on the original game anyway, so I don't see where you're coming from.

3. And yes, I'll agree with you there, the money will be spent on newer projects. Still doesn't mean it's not a slap in the face of the 50% of the PS4 owners who already own a PS3 and were looking forward to playing more original content this summer. If TLOU was released as a secondary title with multiple other AAA titles in the spotlight, it would be fine. As it is, the only flagship title Sony had prepared for PS4 owners for the summer was a year-old remaster that is only slightly upgraded.

1. Sony screwed up their developement cycle? Really? Sony has stated that they are cutting back on funding AAA content and instead focus on making their current games more successful. Its not a screw up, its a financial decision. Since when is Sony making TLoU, a year old game, their flagship title? The only people who think of this title as such are the people who are waiting to play it, not the people selling it. I've seen barely any advertising for this game but its Sony's flaghsip title? Since when does a flagship title release in the summer time?

2. I'm sorry you don't know where I'm coming from.

3. I'm just trying to figure out your angle here. Are you saying that if TLoU was not releasing this summer then its ok to own both a PS3 and PS4 but since TLoU is releasing this summer its shitty to own a PS3 and PS4? If so, explain your logic behind that.

1. If Sony had planned better, they would have had multiple games ready this summer. I understand wanting to make games better but having no flagship titles ready other than a year-old game (it matters not how good it was, it's a year old, tons of people have already played it). 

2. It's new hardware, you would expect better performance for a game that is essentially a port with some upgraded aspects. Even then, I remember people gushing about how great the FPS and graphics were on the original, so I doubt most people even notice the upgrade in frame rate.

3. If TLOU came out along with other games this summer, it would be fine. As it is, the only major title that Sony is offering is TLOU, which is disappointing. A lot of early-adopters (like me) were expecting more original content to be released on the PS4 from Sony this summer, and were disappointed. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing they're releasing TLOU again, I'm saying it's a bad thing they have no other games this summer.



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QuintonMcLeod on 10 July 2014
CGI-Quality said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

The game hasn't changed. How hard is it to up the resolution of a game? That's the equivlent of running Tomb Raider on a 8800GT and then upgrading your GPU to a GTX780TI and calling Tomb Raider "remastered" because you can run it on a higher resolution at a faster frame rate. That's not a remastered game. It's a port.

You also cannot apply the definition of remastering a movie to remastering a video game. Even with movies, movies would need to be several years old to be considered "remasters". Otherwise, they're called re-releases. Even so, video games and movies are different.

A remastered game is when the assets in the game have been retooled to support a modern technology or audience. Also, games would need to be several years old to be considered "remastered". 

1) Super Mario All Stars would be considered a remastered game. They used all new assets for that game.

2) Metal Gear Solid Trilogy HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for that game.

3) Zone of Enders HD is NOT a remaster. It is an HD port

4) Soul Caliber II HD is NOT a remaster. It's an HD port.

4) Wind Waker HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for this game.

You get it?

The definition of a Remaster has been established. Just because one chooses to ignore it doesn't make it false.

The Last Of Us is being Remastered.


Apparently it hasn't.  Just because _you_ choose to ignore it, doesn't make it true.

The Last of Us is a simple cross generation port.



A_C_E on 10 July 2014
VanceIX said:

1. If Sony had planned better, they would have had multiple games ready this summer. I understand wanting to make games better but having no flagship titles ready other than a year-old game (it matters not how good it was, it's a year old, tons of people have already played it). 

2. It's new hardware, you would expect better performance for a game that is essentially a port with some upgraded aspects. Even then, I remember people gushing about how great the FPS and graphics were on the original, so I doubt most people even notice the upgrade in frame rate.

3. If TLOU came out along with other games this summer, it would be fine. As it is, the only major title that Sony is offering is TLOU, which is disappointing. A lot of early-adopters (like me) were expecting more original content to be released on the PS4 from Sony this summer, and were disappointed. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing they're releasing TLOU again, I'm saying it's a bad thing they have no other games this summer.

1. Flagship titles are for the holidays. September to January are prime months to release big budget games because thats when people spend more. If you're going to spend more on a product you're going to have to release it when people are going to spend more on you're product. Its strategical balance.

2. I doubt people were gushing over the FPS of TLoU. You may have misread or heard that somewhere. Why would people be gushing about 20-30 inconsistent FPS? TLoU on PS3 was great graphics wise but anyone who's played knows the game could use some touch ups and the PS4 for many varying reasons is a great place to fix it. Profit greatly as well as please the fans and bring in new customers? You'd have to be an idiot not to release TLoU Remastered.

3. If TLoU came out along other bigger titles it would sell LESS, not more, meaning LESS profit. Typically people also buy/play less videogames during the summer season and revenues dip. If your Sony, your not going to release a flagship title during summer when you will make more off the title releasing it during winter. Its all just strategic approach. Yes its disappointing there aren't more but at least we can agree that TLoU Remastered is not a bad thing.



VanceIX on 11 July 2014
A_C_E said:
VanceIX said:

1. If Sony had planned better, they would have had multiple games ready this summer. I understand wanting to make games better but having no flagship titles ready other than a year-old game (it matters not how good it was, it's a year old, tons of people have already played it). 

2. It's new hardware, you would expect better performance for a game that is essentially a port with some upgraded aspects. Even then, I remember people gushing about how great the FPS and graphics were on the original, so I doubt most people even notice the upgrade in frame rate.

3. If TLOU came out along with other games this summer, it would be fine. As it is, the only major title that Sony is offering is TLOU, which is disappointing. A lot of early-adopters (like me) were expecting more original content to be released on the PS4 from Sony this summer, and were disappointed. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing they're releasing TLOU again, I'm saying it's a bad thing they have no other games this summer.

1. Flagship titles are for the holidays. September to January are prime months to release big budget games because thats when people spend more. If you're going to spend more on a product you're going to have to release it when people are going to spend more on you're product. Its strategical balance.

2. I doubt people were gushing over the FPS of TLoU. You may have misread or heard that somewhere. Why would people be gushing about 20-30 inconsistent FPS? TLoU on PS3 was great graphics wise but anyone who's played knows the game could use some touch ups and the PS4 for many varying reasons is a great place to fix it. Profit greatly as well as please the fans and bring in new customers? You'd have to be an idiot not to release TLoU Remastered.

3. If TLoU came out along other bigger titles it would sell LESS, not more, meaning LESS profit. Typically people also buy/play less videogames during the summer season and revenues dip. If your Sony, your not going to release a flagship title during summer when you will make more off the title releasing it during winter. Its all just strategic approach. Yes its disappointing there aren't more but at least we can agree that TLoU Remastered is not a bad thing.

Alright, I'm not arguing this anymore. In the end it's subjective. If you really love TLOU you'll be satisfied this summer. If not, you'll be disappointed with the releases. And by the way, tons of flagship titles are launches over the summer, when kids are all home for the break and people take leave from work.



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A_C_E on 11 July 2014
VanceIX said:
A_C_E said:

1. Flagship titles are for the holidays. September to January are prime months to release big budget games because thats when people spend more. If you're going to spend more on a product you're going to have to release it when people are going to spend more on you're product. Its strategical balance.

2. I doubt people were gushing over the FPS of TLoU. You may have misread or heard that somewhere. Why would people be gushing about 20-30 inconsistent FPS? TLoU on PS3 was great graphics wise but anyone who's played knows the game could use some touch ups and the PS4 for many varying reasons is a great place to fix it. Profit greatly as well as please the fans and bring in new customers? You'd have to be an idiot not to release TLoU Remastered.

3. If TLoU came out along other bigger titles it would sell LESS, not more, meaning LESS profit. Typically people also buy/play less videogames during the summer season and revenues dip. If your Sony, your not going to release a flagship title during summer when you will make more off the title releasing it during winter. Its all just strategic approach. Yes its disappointing there aren't more but at least we can agree that TLoU Remastered is not a bad thing.

Alright, I'm not arguing this anymore. In the end it's subjective. If you really love TLOU you'll be satisfied this summer. If not, you'll be disappointed with the releases. And by the way, tons of flagship titles are launches over the summer, when kids are all home for the break and people take leave from work.

Sure thing. But just to clear this up, there aren't anywhere near tons of flagship titles launched during the summer, and won't be in the near future. Your post standing on its own can be accepted due to ignorance but since its a response to my understanding of the word 'flaghsip' (which you should look up) I have to let it be known that GT is Sony's flagship title, Halo is Microsoft's flagship title, Assassins Creed is Ubisofts flagship title and so on. GTA is probably the closest regular release near the summer time (it usually launches during april-may in the spring season) but even GTA V released in september. But if you can find tons of flagship titles that were released during the summer season then go ahead and post them and I will admit that I'm wrong.



GribbleGrunger on 11 July 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
Conina said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

No one is debating whether or not TLoU is a good game. We all know it is. However, Sony is trying to disguise a simple port by telling its consumers that it's a "remaster". No, it's _not_ a remaster by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you even know what "remastering" means? Sure it is a "remaster"... most ports are "remasters". If they change something, even if it were only the fixed resolution, they can call it that.


The game hasn't changed. How hard is it to up the resolution of a game? That's the equivlent of running Tomb Raider on a 8800GT and then upgrading your GPU to a GTX780TI and calling Tomb Raider "remastered" because you can run it on a higher resolution at a faster frame rate. That's not a remastered game. It's a port.

You also cannot apply the definition of remastering a movie to remastering a video game. Even with movies, movies would need to be several years old to be considered "remasters". Otherwise, they're called re-releases. Even so, video games and movies are different.

A remastered game is when the assets in the game have been retooled to support a modern technology or audience. Also, games would need to be several years old to be considered "remastered". 

1) Super Mario All Stars would be considered a remastered game. They used all new assets for that game.

2) Metal Gear Solid Trilogy HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for that game.

3) Zone of Enders HD is NOT a remaster. It is an HD port

4) Soul Caliber II HD is NOT a remaster. It's an HD port.

4) Wind Waker HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for this game.

You get it?

Well, I for one can't wait to play the remastered version of TLOU.

I've only seen cutscenes so far with a higher resolution and higher framerate, but what I'm really looking forward to is seeing the better character models, better lighting, better shadows, better in game assets, better textures, better AA, higher resolution and higher framerates IN GAME! Multiplayer was already one of the best online experiences out there but at 60fps/1080p, it should be even better.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this game.



 

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overman1 on 11 July 2014

right???

i personally think it is because of all the PS4 hate. Some people are mad TLOU is on high demand and is doing very well on the preorder charts around the world. While thier favorite game or console is being ignored or not getting as much hype. Nobody is talking about the Halo port as much as The Last of Us. Even GTAV port is not getting as much hype. 



GribbleGrunger on 11 July 2014
overman1 said:

right???

i personally think it is because of all the PS4 hate. Some people are mad TLOU is on high demand and is doing very well on the preorder charts around the world. While thier favorite game or console is being ignored or not getting as much hype. Nobody is talking about the Halo port as much as The Last of Us. Even GTAV port is not getting as much hype. 

That's the sad reality. TLOU won more awards than any other game out there and this remastered version will likely sell even more PS4s.



 

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overman1 on 11 July 2014

Hey, Any publicity is good publicity.

I am suprised at the length some people on this thread are going to in order to discredit this game. Hell, I owned the game on my PS3 but I didnt buy the DLCs so I am very excited to pick this up. It is not like Naughty Dog isnt making another game right now which would be out next year so I dont know what the all fuss is about.