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Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 

Can you send me a link showing that the PS3 hasn't recovered most, if not all of the original losses? Much appreciated.

Given that financial numbers are hidden will within division, and they have never truly done an amazing job of showcasing how much is lost per console. Same with Microsoft sadly. I will showcase the division however. Just please hold on for a bit, for me to dig up the information from past threads we have done on this site or neogaf. If anyother has the link off hand please post away. 

Thanks. I only know that the PS3 started turning a profit in 2010, and I assume they'll keep selling them for another four (or more) years, like they did with the PS2.



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Dulfite said:
MegaManX said:
Dulfite said:
The Wii u is selling more (by a lot) than the one right now. The Wii u is also a good amount ahead of the one.


True, except your talking about a week in which the Wii U has it's first full week with it's biggest release more than likely of this generation while the current week up on the front page is counting the week before a permanent 20% percent discount off the price of the console, and even then it's <50K.


Actually I'm talking about two weeks now. And for both of consoles, they both had ONE game that came out each that was massive. WD didn't move much on xboxone, not nearly as much as it did on ps4 and not nearly as much as MK8 moved wii u's. It wasn't like the xboxone didn't have anything, it just ended up not doing nearly as well as the thing wii U had (mk8).

There is less than a 2 million difference right now with the Wii U in the lead.  And that's with a year headstart for the Wii U.  Nintendo has also had many first party titles (2 Mario titles plus a DLC retail title, Pikmin, W101, MK8, DK, a LOZ port, at least 3 Wii brand games), as well as a price cut and numerous bundles and other free games incentives and by comparison prior to this price cut for the ONE, they've had Titanfall and the Titanfall bundle as the only noteworthy release.  Not to mention the ONE being $200 more.  

And while it's fine to celebrate the last 2 weeks with Nintendo taking second, that wasn't the case at all for most of the weeks since the ONE was released.  It sold better than a console with a year head start, that was $200 cheaper, and has not received much software support.  I think it's damn good on the part of the ONE that it's managed with that many handicaps.  Now with the pricedrop, it's going to erase any difference that MK8 made on it.  

MS made the mistake of announcing a price cut weeks in advance, of course that will hurt sales for the weeks leading up to it.  

Also WD is not to the ONE as MK8 is to Wii U.  WD is an unproven new franchise and the other is one of the top Nintendo franchises. 



VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 

Can you send me a link showing that the PS3 hasn't recovered most, if not all of the original losses? Much appreciated.

Given that financial numbers are hidden will within division, and they have never truly done an amazing job of showcasing how much is lost per console. Same with Microsoft sadly. I will showcase the division however. Just please hold on for a bit, for me to dig up the information from past threads we have done on this site or neogaf. If anyother has the link off hand please post away. 

Thanks. I only know that the PS3 started turning a profit in 2010, and I assume they'll keep selling them for another four (or more) years, like they did with the PS2.


I will tell you the hardware itself only recently started making a profit and Shudio quote for that is here but that is console alone. http://ca.ign.com/articles/2010/06/28/ps3-profitable-price-cut-unlikely  


I sadly seem to be unable to find the really great thread someone use to do back in the day, but while this thread contains bias in my opinion in the reason it was created, I will say that this does showcase the idea of how much they could have lost: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158930

Basically the key concept is: They made HUGE loss in the beginning and started have profit later on the generation (Harder to tell how much profits was made because after 2009 I believe they merged a bunch of divisions into one), however the HUGE loss isn't really recoverable at that stage. However I will say Sony did an amazing job saving the brand for the future. 



 

Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 

Can you send me a link showing that the PS3 hasn't recovered most, if not all of the original losses? Much appreciated.

Given that financial numbers are hidden will within division, and they have never truly done an amazing job of showcasing how much is lost per console. Same with Microsoft sadly. I will showcase the division however. Just please hold on for a bit, for me to dig up the information from past threads we have done on this site or neogaf. If anyother has the link off hand please post away. 

Thanks. I only know that the PS3 started turning a profit in 2010, and I assume they'll keep selling them for another four (or more) years, like they did with the PS2.


I will tell you the hardware itself only recently started making a profit and Shudio quote for that is here but that is console alone. http://ca.ign.com/articles/2010/06/28/ps3-profitable-price-cut-unlikely  


I sadly seem to be unable to find the really great thread someone use to do back in the day, but while this thread contains biased in my opinion in the reason it was created, I will say that this does showcase the idea of how much they could have lost: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158930

Basically the key concept is: They made HUGE loss in the beginning and started have profit later on the generation (Harder to tell how much profits was made because after 2009 I believe they merged a bunch of divisions into one), however the HUGE loss isn't really recoverable at that stage. However I will say Sony did an amazing job saving the brand for the future. 

I'll take your word for it, but at the same time I highly doubt Sony will have ended up with a huge loss, especially when you consider that the PS3 helped cement bluray as a format and sold tons of titles over its lifespan.

Either way, we may never truly know.



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In the point of the company, a console only fail if it just can't make money. In this case, we can use as an example the PS3, that made Sony to have big loses, about 4 billion, so that is a fail.



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If you lose, you lose. Just like sperm, there is only one winner. The rest have failed.





VanceIX said:

I'll take your word for it, but at the same time I highly doubt Sony will have ended up with a huge loss, especially when you consider that the PS3 helped cement bluray as a format and sold tons of titles over its lifespan.

Either way, we may never truly know.


While I agree Blu-ray success was caused by PS3, I don't think that format winning helped sony all that much sadly.  I will say that the PS3 is my favorite home console from last generation in the end, but business wise I do consider it a loss. (DS being my favorite device)

I consider a lot of business decisions sony did during that period, not to be that great. I just hope that pieces that are horrible will be dead and gone soon.

Also I think Nintendo will be back in the green as well. How much in the green remains to be seen and if they will be. 



 

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