thats not what hes saying at all. All he is saying is that the system DID have alot of shovelware, that is a fact. Not the whole library but a lot and those games actually did well especially compared to the more core games.

Who knew that Assassin's Creed would be a blockbuster in 2006/7 when it was announced/released.  It was a new IP for the time.  Ubisoft did not have any exclusives permiering on the PS3 either as AC 1 went multiplatform before release and sold better on the 360.  ZombiU IS a blockbuster (costing more than Assassin's Creed did as Yves IP put the cost of AC < 20 mil) for the U and it fell flat on its face.

Its more XOne's sales style that they caught up so fast.  Microsoft's audience is the hardcore gamer who views sites like these.  Those people are always gonna get their console of choice right away.  They're the people who wait all night outside of stores to buy that console.  Microsoft has that kind of gamer backing them.  They buy up their consoles REALLY fast REALLY early.  

Nintendo has 3 audiences

1) Diehard Nintendo fans like myself, who like with other hardcore gamers, got the system as soon as they could.  

2) Second console gamers.  Nintendo is pretty much a given for anyone who is looking for a second console to get.  

3) Casuals who don't even know that the Wii U is a different console.  These people are unpredictable and hard to target, but Nintendo is trying.  

The fact that Microsoft is losing steam is a horrible sign for them.  Their long-term audience are people who want the console to prove itself and make more games before they buy it.  If Microsoft doesn't have a lot of games for it, there's not point then.  If Microsoft releases everything on the PC as well, there's no point there either.  

Long-term forecasts I would give it to Nintendo anyday.  They have way more going for them.  

Conina said:

1) Which games besides Nintendo Land deliver "extremely unique experiences"? Even most first party WiiU games use the touchscreen only for a map, inventory or to display some stats... these are minor differences.

2) Not compared to PS3 & 360 with similar graphic quality and a much bigger game selection

3) correct

4) correct

5) no, even Nintendo has underestimated the extra effort (money and time) compared to Wii games

6) that worked really great so far

7) so, where is this unique audience? The Wii crowd? Either they already bought a Wii U, have already moved on to other systems (Kinect, smartphones, tablets), have found other hobbies than gaming or won't upgrade at all

8) please elaborate... where are all these third party exclusives?

9) we'll see

10) how many weeks?

11) before PS4 and XBO launched, Wii U had even the largest marketshare (100%) of the 8th generation. Already lost a place, will lose another

im not saying they are not welcome. its just they do not fit in with nintendo.

and i dont complain anyway i hate most 3rd party games. they do not take the time and care like nintendo do.

I can counter by saying lot's of shovelware sells millions of units on ps and xbox too.

It all started with delaying Raymond Legends, after that it was the whole Watch Dogs debacle on how they nerfed the games graphics, then after that it was not bringing any of their AAA titles to Wii U, then the nail in the coffin was the fact they have a Wii U game, but they want to sit on it and not use it to help the Wii U install base if the game is as good as they are saying it is.

1) talks more about the console style itself.  The gamepad is actually a really great improvement over regular controllers.  Most people are just hesitant about it.  

2) We're not talking about last gen. 

5) I shouldn't even have to state it...  I'm talking about compared to the Xbox and PS4...  I'm referring talking about how third parties with money troubles might see the Wii U as being a better choice to make a game for.  

6)Is that sarcasm?  Because I consider ubisoft and capcom examples of that.  I doubt we know all the backroom details, but Nintendo may have offered discounts on licensing for the 3DS or something  if they made a game for the Wii U.  

7) Now you're pulling things out of your ass

8) Lego City: Undercover, Bayonetta2, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, etc etc then theres the lesser exclusives.  Unlike the PS4 and 360 which have to rely on some miniscule graphics difference or an exclusive character pack, Nintendo is almost guaranteed an exclusive gameplay style across all modes of a game.  

10) I explained that in my post before this one.  

1) The tablet controller is more comfortable than I expected... but in what way is it better than regular controllers like the Wii U Pro controller, when most games don't take advantage of its "unique" potential?

2) each console is in competition to every other console which is still in production and on the shelves... not only to these artificially labeled with "8th generation"

5) PC, PS4 and XBO have a common base with the x86-architecture and similar hardware power and RAM ressources... that reduces costs for multiplatform developments... the Wii U is (in comparison) the underpowered "exotic" which can't profit from the symbiotic effects of similar hardware

6) the Ubisoft 3DS-bribes doesn't seem to work... that's what this thread is all about. And Capcom doesn't make more games for 3DS or Wii U than for other systems

7) then please explain where that mysterious "unique audience" is... when will they arrive and buy WiiUs?

8) Lego City: Undercover, Bayonetta2, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate... that's it? All known even before Wii U launch. Where are the new Wii U exclusives from third parties?

How in the world did they "Nerf" the graphics?  Also, everyone here does realize that they only support systems that make them money right?