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Forums - PC - Why 'Watch Dogs' Is Bad News For AMD Users -- And Potentially The Entire PC Gaming Ecosystem

vkaraujo on 27 May 2014

Welcome to the 8th gen.
Pretty soon you're gonna need 2 PCs, enjoy!



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JEMC on 27 May 2014
zero129 said:
JEMC said:
zero129 said:

But then Nvidia could also take the same root AMD does and have their stuff open source the way AMD did with TressFX and Mantle etc.

Not to argue with you, because I'm also against this kind of things, but so far Mantle is AMD and GCN exclusive, with no idea of when it will stop being that way.

Yes but the source code for it is open source so Nvidia could add it to their drivers if they wanted to.

It's not that easy, otherwise AMD would have done it themselves to support their older cards.



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justiceiro on 27 May 2014

Well, this is free market, if nvidia invested time on developing that tools, they don't should be obligate to share with all their competitors.

I understand the position of amd, but it has their good and bad thing attached to it too. Be open was what made amd hardware the parttern in the 8th gen hardware. Since nvidia don't allow custom hardware, everyone decided to go with amd to make their custom modifications.

Oh, well, i dont care much about this anyway, just happy that amd is more cheaper.



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HoloDust on 27 May 2014

Not surprised at all - nVidia is always trying to play dirty (just remember all the stuff about crippling CPU based PhysX).

Combine that with the usual tech sloppiness of Ubi, and we have a winner.



greenmedic88 on 27 May 2014
AnthonyW86 said:
It's weird really, you would think that since the consoles now use AMD hardware that AMD graphics would have the advantage. But i guess since it's also on ps3 it's not fully optimised for ps4/XOne. Still have high hopes for amd's pc APU's in 2-3 years though.

Also i heard that the recommended pc specs mentioned a 8 core cpu?

Gameworks is for PC, presumably Windows although I'm sure the optimizing code could be used for Linux or even Mac OSX. 

The PS4 and the XB1 use their own operating systems and function as development walled gardens, meaning developers producing games for these platforms use the SDK software and hardware resources of those respective platforms for optimization. Nvidia doesn't even fall into that equation.

Besides, Nvidia's stance on consoles is that they don't matter anymore due in no small part to the fact that they have no contracts to supply any consoles with GPUs. Presumably AMD offered Nintendo, Microsoft and SCE better deals than Nvidia when it came to supplying GPUs for their current gen consoles. 

On the PC gaming end of things, AMD must work directly with game developers and publishers if they don't want this potential/existing support discrepancy to continue. It won't matter if AMD offers better hardware performance for less money than Nvidia in tests if all key games favor Nvidia chipsets.