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The guy clearly sees he is late versus Evra and suddenly put his right hand above his head while starting to run towards the ball, he jumps clearly aiming towards Evra's head with his right hand, at the last time make a fist with his hand just before the contact with the ball.

Like seriously on this video from the back it's so obvious it was intentional from the german:
https://streamable.com/61kv

This could even have deserved a red card.



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Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

Very hard for the ref to see? He didn't blow the whistle until after 20-30 seconds. The other refs hada conference and phoned him the decision. Players play with hands over the shoulders all the time, it literally happens hundreds of times in the box during a game. There was no intent and it didn't affect the play! This was a bought goal.

Yeah, yeah UEFA or FIFA. Both are corrupt to the bone.

This is always my nightmare when we go into the big tournaments. Always the fear that the host nation or one of the big 4 will get a decisive advantage by the system.

Yes, it can be very hard to see for the refs. And that's one of the reasons why some leagues/tournaments do not take intent into account. La Liga for example does not. When you put your hands above your head when you're defending in the box, and the ball deflects from your hand, then that is 100% your mistake.

He did an error, did something's not allowed, I know that!!! You don't have to explain the rules to me repeteadly because my argument isn't about that. The ref could have ignored the hand since the game wouldn't have been affected and it was such an important match. Instead by giving a penalty, he decides the game in France' favor. Instead of letting the players battle it out for us to enjoy. And all because of lots of $$$$ that he was promised by UEFA.



I like France too but I'll be rooting for Portugal, hopefully it's a great match



Yeah, killing a goal opportunity by deflecting the ball with your hand (because yeah, Evra got the header) totally isn't affecting the play, and while it was an obvious and clear foul, the ref should have ignored it, in order to be fair.

Hilarious. Unbelievable.

"Yeah he made a mistake, he made a foul, but the ref whistled, so he's corrupted"

No, he applied the rule. The very fact that the only argument against the ref tonight is "It was a foul but he shouldn't have whistled" tells a lot.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Slimebeast said:

He did an error, did something's not allowed, I know that!!! You don't have to explain the rules to me repeteadly because my argument isn't about that. The ref could have ignored the hand since the game wouldn't have been affected and it was such an important match. Instead by giving a penalty, he decides the game in France' favor. Instead of letting the players battle it out for us to enjoy. And all because of lots of $$$$ that he was promised by UEFA.

So let me get this straight... you're accusing him of being bribed by UEFA to penalise a player for doing something they're not supposed to do?

By deflecting a goal opportunity with his HAND. Which means there IS a penalty.

"But it was an important match"

Yes it was, and that was obvious foul play. Just because it didn't go Germany's way doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened.

Amazing, truely :D

 

But well, it a French player did such a foul and the ref didn't whistle (rightfully so, according to some...), it would have been a scandal, "the ref was bribed by UEFA", blah blah blah.



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Dadrik said:

Yeah, killing a goal opportunity by deflecting the ball with your hand (because yeah, Evra got the header) totally isn't affecting the play, and while it was an obvious and clear foul, the ref should have ignored it, in order to be fair.

Hilarious. Unbelievable.

"Yeah he made a mistake, he made a foul, but the ref whistled, so he's corrupted"

No, he applied the rule. The very fact that the only argument against the ref tonight is "It was a foul but he shouldn't have whistled" tells a lot.

Everyone in the Swedish TV studio, including football pros were outraged. So it can't be that hilarious what I argue. In top cup football there are several fouls being commited during every game, fouls that technically with a strict interpretation of the rule book would give a penalty, but refs are wise and most of the time allow them to pass in order to safeguard the balance of the game. The balance and fairness of the game is top priority for a referee. Unless orders come from above that demands the balance to be broken.

The thing is to understand the magnitude of a semi-final and decide whether you as a football fan want them to allow a minor foul to risk destroying the outcome. This time they allowed, and it did.



Slimebeast said:
Dadrik said:

Yeah, killing a goal opportunity by deflecting the ball with your hand (because yeah, Evra got the header) totally isn't affecting the play, and while it was an obvious and clear foul, the ref should have ignored it, in order to be fair.

Hilarious. Unbelievable.

"Yeah he made a mistake, he made a foul, but the ref whistled, so he's corrupted"

No, he applied the rule. The very fact that the only argument against the ref tonight is "It was a foul but he shouldn't have whistled" tells a lot.

Everyone in the Swedish TV studio, including football pros were outraged. So it can't be that hilarious what I argue. In top cup football there are several fouls being commited during every game, fouls that technically with a strict interpretation of the rule book would give a penalty, but refs are wise and most of the time allow them to pass in order to safeguard the balance of the game. The balance and fairness of the game is top priority for a referee. Unless orders come from above that demands the balance to be broken.

The thing is to understand the magnitude of a semi-final and decide whether you as a football fan want them to allow a minor foul to risk destroying the outcome. This time they allowed, and it did.

Because a hand deflected header right in front of the goal is a "minor" foul. So balanced, so fair. It was a goal opportunity fraudulently deflected. Foul. Penalty.


How is it fair to allow such a move during such an important game ?

 

Oh, and if the Swedish TV said so... Must be hella true



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

Ka-pi96 said:
Slimebeast said:

He did an error, did something's not allowed, I know that!!! You don't have to explain the rules to me repeteadly because my argument isn't about that. The ref could have ignored the hand since the game wouldn't have been affected and it was such an important match. Instead by giving a penalty, he decides the game in France' favor. Instead of letting the players battle it out for us to enjoy. And all because of lots of $$$$ that he was promised by UEFA.

So let me get this straight... you're accusing him of being bribed by UEFA to penalise a player for doing something they're not supposed to do?

I'm not saying I'm certain it's a bribe, it could just as well be that he succumbed to pressure in the moment, with so much responsibility on your shoulders standing there on the field of a host nation that is powerful in the football world. It's not like the first time it happened in big games.



Slimebeast said:
Ka-pi96 said:

So let me get this straight... you're accusing him of being bribed by UEFA to penalise a player for doing something they're not supposed to do?

I'm not saying I'm certain it's a bribe, it could just as well be that he succumbed to pressure in the moment, with so much responsibility on your shoulders standing there on the field of a host nation that is powerful in the football world. It's not like the first time it happened in big games.

You literally said he was bribed. Multiple times. Don't pretend you didn't.



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

Dadrik said:
Slimebeast said:

Everyone in the Swedish TV studio, including football pros were outraged. So it can't be that hilarious what I argue. In top cup football there are several fouls being commited during every game, fouls that technically with a strict interpretation of the rule book would give a penalty, but refs are wise and most of the time allow them to pass in order to safeguard the balance of the game. The balance and fairness of the game is top priority for a referee. Unless orders come from above that demands the balance to be broken.

The thing is to understand the magnitude of a semi-final and decide whether you as a football fan want them to allow a minor foul to risk destroying the outcome. This time they allowed, and it did.

Because a hand deflected header right in front of the goal is a "minor" foul. So balanced, so fair. It was a goal opportunity fraudulently deflected. Foul. Penalty.


How is it fair to allow such a move during such an important game ?

 

Oh, and if the Swedish TV said so... Must be hella true

This is starting to feel bizarre. The only thing you seem able to see is the foul. It's like you are totally unaware of the other factors I described, the fairness and balance of the game and even politics.

Didn't you see the situation? There was no goal chance, had the hand not deflected the ball it still hadn't become a scoring chance. Didn't you see all the players in the penalty box just standing calmly for 10 seconds, nobody waving their hands or anything. Nobody expected or demanded a penalty