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Adult Link or young Link?

Adult Link 128 73.99%
 
Young Link 45 26.01%
 
Total:173
sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:

They didn't like Windwaker's design nothing new about that, and still can only be speculatory. 

So the guy didn't like TP, point still remains. 

3D OOT is a remake (remakes always get lower scores) people didn't ask for that made changes that were unnecessary. (Same with Wind Waker, got a 90 where the other got a 96)

We could also look at the numbers for Skyward Sword (7.9).

All your points seem to be arbitrary as well. 

Actually Windwaker's User Score is 8.9 (original) vs. 8.8 (number of reviews can make a huge difference, especially since they're rounded to the tenth's place.) 

You still haven't explained Majora's Mask (9.2), A Link Between Worlds(9.0), A Link to the Past (8.9), and  The Minish Cap (9.1) in your theory that child link must mean more critical acclaim (assuming your criteria.) There are so many factors involved in a Zelda game that it seems so infinitessimally unlikely that the age of link matters.

That is true, I was looking at critic numbers unstead of users, but that doesn't change the end result. 

Those scores for the other games look pretty good to me. I was comparing worst and best, and stories involving young Link tend to be more acclaimed.

If you want to compare the entire series of young Link to adult Link that's on you, go ahead. I can safely say that outside of remakes the young Link series has always been better recieved than adult Link. That's a statistical fact. 



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bigtakilla said:
sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:

They didn't like Windwaker's design nothing new about that, and still can only be speculatory. 

So the guy didn't like TP, point still remains. 

3D OOT is a remake (remakes always get lower scores) people didn't ask for that made changes that were unnecessary. (Same with Wind Waker, got a 90 where the other got a 96)

We could also look at the numbers for Skyward Sword (7.9).

All your points seem to be arbitrary as well. 

Actually Windwaker's User Score is 8.9 (original) vs. 8.8 (number of reviews can make a huge difference, especially since they're rounded to the tenth's place.) 

You still haven't explained Majora's Mask (9.2), A Link Between Worlds(9.0), A Link to the Past (8.9), and  The Minish Cap (9.1) in your theory that child link must mean more critical acclaim (assuming your criteria.) There are so many factors involved in a Zelda game that it seems so infinitessimally unlikely that the age of link matters.

That is true, I was looking at critic numbers unstead of users, but that doesn't change the end result. 

Those scores for the other games look pretty good to me. I was comparing worst and best, and stories involving young Link tend to be more acclaimed.

If you want to compare the entire series of young Link to adult Link that's on you, go ahead. I can safely say that outside of remakes the young Link series has always been better recieved than adult Link. That's a statistical fact. 

The critically acclaimed section of Metacritic = User's score. Twilight Princess is the third highest rated Zelda game according to Metacritic: OoT > WW> TP, and the second according to Gamerankings: OoT>TP>WW. The highest rated Zelda game has adult link in it as well as child link. There are just more Zelda games with child link than adult link, so the argument just doesn't make sense. 



sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:
sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:

They didn't like Windwaker's design nothing new about that, and still can only be speculatory. 

So the guy didn't like TP, point still remains. 

3D OOT is a remake (remakes always get lower scores) people didn't ask for that made changes that were unnecessary. (Same with Wind Waker, got a 90 where the other got a 96)

We could also look at the numbers for Skyward Sword (7.9).

All your points seem to be arbitrary as well. 

Actually Windwaker's User Score is 8.9 (original) vs. 8.8 (number of reviews can make a huge difference, especially since they're rounded to the tenth's place.) 

You still haven't explained Majora's Mask (9.2), A Link Between Worlds(9.0), A Link to the Past (8.9), and  The Minish Cap (9.1) in your theory that child link must mean more critical acclaim (assuming your criteria.) There are so many factors involved in a Zelda game that it seems so infinitessimally unlikely that the age of link matters.

That is true, I was looking at critic numbers unstead of users, but that doesn't change the end result. 

Those scores for the other games look pretty good to me. I was comparing worst and best, and stories involving young Link tend to be more acclaimed.

If you want to compare the entire series of young Link to adult Link that's on you, go ahead. I can safely say that outside of remakes the young Link series has always been better recieved than adult Link. That's a statistical fact. 

The critically acclaimed section of Metacritic = User's score. Twilight Princess is the third highest rated Zelda game according to Metacritic: OoT > WW> TP, and the second according to Gamerankings: OoT>TP>WW. The highest rated Zelda game has adult link in it as well as child link. There are just more Zelda games with child link than adult link, so the argument just doesn't make sense. 

Well one thing stayed the same OoT was always 1st place. Lol.



bigtakilla said:
sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:
sc94597 said:
bigtakilla said:

The critically acclaimed section of Metacritic = User's score. Twilight Princess is the third highest rated Zelda game according to Metacritic: OoT > WW> TP, and the second according to Gamerankings: OoT>TP>WW. The highest rated Zelda game has adult link in it as well as child link. There are just more Zelda games with child link than adult link, so the argument just doesn't make sense. 

Well one thing stayed the same OoT was always 1st place. Lol.


The thing that made OoT great was that it was about a kid who had to grow up. That couldn't have happened without him being a child. I don't think I've ever thought about OoT as an "adult Link" game. It's a game that forces a young Link to become an adult as it's gimmick. It's an effective gimmick, and I wouldn't change it, but it was that game's thing.

I don't hate adult Link. I've gone on record saying that if a sequel to MM was ever made, I would want him, no, need him to be the older Link. But that has context relating to the overarching story and theme of the Hero of Time. In OoT, Link had to grow up prematurely. In MM, Link had to deal with loss, lonelyness, and mortality. In this theoretical sequel, it would deal with how all that effects him when he really does truely grow up.

That's when it's okay to use adult Link. Not because he looks more "bad ass" or because that what idiot "hardcore" fans think Zelda should be. I heard someone at IGN say that Zelda is Skyrim or Dark Souls. I wanted to hit him.



padib said:

I really don't see the "link" between Young Link and Journey.

The adult link in the OoT pic at the lower end of your thread (under I don't want these) is part of the same game as the young link in your early pics (I want these).

I understand that you want a more lively and dreamy game, but adult link doesn't limit that at all.


There is no "link" between young Link and Journey. That was a separate tangent.

I don't mind adult Link it OoT because that served a thematic purpose. I only put him on the list because I wanted to stress a point.

It's not about me wanting a "lively and dreamy" game. I think MM is a master peice and the worlds greatest video game sequel. It's about how adult Link doesn't by nature fit what I feel Zelda encompases. Adult Link in OoT does, because it's a child trapped in an adult's body. Link is forced to grow up faster than he's supposed to. It's deep. TP's "let's make link older, because that's what the core fans hated about WW," or SS's "well they think older Link is more badass, so here's some more" is the opposite if what Zelda is supposed to be.

RolStoppable said:
The age is not important at all, because The Legend of Zelda is about the world. Link is just an avatar for the player.

Ocarina of Time drives this point home because it featured both, a young and an adult Link.

No. It didn't. The whole game featured a young Link. Adult Link was as much a mechanical transformation in that game as the masks in MM and the wolf in TP. It was still a child on the inside. It's not a game about a young link and an older Link; it's a game about a boy who is forced to grow up. You're playing as a kid inside an adult's body.



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spemanig said:

The thing that made OoT great was that it was about a kid who had to grow up. That couldn't have happened without him being a child. I don't think I've ever thought about OoT as an "adult Link" game. It's a game that forces a young Link to become an adult as it's gimmick. It's an effective gimmick, and I wouldn't change it, but it was that game's thing.

I don't hate adult Link. I've gone on record saying that if a sequel to MM was ever made, I would want him, no, need him to be the older Link. But that has context relating to the overarching story and theme of the Hero of Time. In OoT, Link had to grow up prematurely. In MM, Link had to deal with loss, lonelyness, and mortality. In this theoretical sequel, it would deal with how all that effects him when he really does truely grow up.

That's when it's okay to use adult Link. Not because he looks more "bad ass" or because that what idiot "hardcore" fans think Zelda should be. I heard someone at IGN say that Zelda is Skyrim or Dark Souls. I wanted to hit him.

You know Spemanig, OoT's story this is the opitome of people not getting it. OoT wasn't about young Link and adult Link. The story is about a kid who was sealed and his body aged for 7 years in the temple of time, he was still for aol intents and purposes a kid. Note the beginning and the end of the game Link was young. There was nothing adult about OoT's Link accept his physical looks during some of the gameplay. 

To look further into the story, when Link left Kokiri Village in OoT it was impactful, because it was a kid going to fight this great evil. In ALTTP, when Link's uncle is killed during the storming of Hyrule castle it is also impactful. Not only has his uncle (the person supporting Link) been killed, but he finds himself having to take his place and, as a child, fight to save princess Zelda. 

If the entire games of OoT and ALTTP revolved around older Link, when he left Kokiri Village it wouldn't really have mattered. Adults move. I joined the Army and was in Iraq at 19. Not that impactful. Or in ALTTP, if Link was 18 his uncle would have been in his mid to late 30's. I would have wondered why Link didn't go in the first place. 

It's about an unlikely hero facing an unbeatable foe and winning. That's what is great about young Link stories.



bigtakilla said:
spemanig said:

The thing that made OoT great was that it was about a kid who had to grow up. That couldn't have happened without him being a child. I don't think I've ever thought about OoT as an "adult Link" game. It's a game that forces a young Link to become an adult as it's gimmick. It's an effective gimmick, and I wouldn't change it, but it was that game's thing.

I don't hate adult Link. I've gone on record saying that if a sequel to MM was ever made, I would want him, no, need him to be the older Link. But that has context relating to the overarching story and theme of the Hero of Time. In OoT, Link had to grow up prematurely. In MM, Link had to deal with loss, lonelyness, and mortality. In this theoretical sequel, it would deal with how all that effects him when he really does truely grow up.

That's when it's okay to use adult Link. Not because he looks more "bad ass" or because that what idiot "hardcore" fans think Zelda should be. I heard someone at IGN say that Zelda is Skyrim or Dark Souls. I wanted to hit him.

You know Spemanig, OoT's story this is the opitome of people not getting it. OoT wasn't about young Link and adult Link. The story is about a kid who was sealed and his body aged for 7 years in the temple of time, he was still for aol intents and purposes a kid. Note the beginning and the end of the game Link was young. There was nothing adult about OoT's Link accept his physical looks during some of the gameplay. 

To look further into the story, when Link left Kokiri Village in OoT it was impactful, because it was a kid going to fight this great evil. In ALTTP, when Link's uncle is killed during the storming of Hyrule castle it is also impactful. Not only has his uncle (the person supporting Link) been killed, but he finds himself having to take his place and, as a child, fight to save princess Zelda. 

If the entire games of OoT and ALTTP revolved around older Link, when he left Kokiri Village it wouldn't really have mattered. Adults move. I joined the Army and was in Iraq at 19. Not that impactful. Or in ALTTP, if Link was 18 his uncle would have been in his mid to late 30's. I would have wondered why Link didn't go in the first place. 

It's about an unlikely hero facing an unbeatable foe and winning. That's what is great about young Link stories.


I agree with everything exept you thinking that joining the army at 19 not being impactful, lol. You're a hero dude, on merits of bravery alone.



spemanig said:
bigtakilla said:

You know Spemanig, OoT's story this is the opitome of people not getting it. OoT wasn't about young Link and adult Link. The story is about a kid who was sealed and his body aged for 7 years in the temple of time, he was still for aol intents and purposes a kid. Note the beginning and the end of the game Link was young. There was nothing adult about OoT's Link accept his physical looks during some of the gameplay. 

To look further into the story, when Link left Kokiri Village in OoT it was impactful, because it was a kid going to fight this great evil. In ALTTP, when Link's uncle is killed during the storming of Hyrule castle it is also impactful. Not only has his uncle (the person supporting Link) been killed, but he finds himself having to take his place and, as a child, fight to save princess Zelda. 

If the entire games of OoT and ALTTP revolved around older Link, when he left Kokiri Village it wouldn't really have mattered. Adults move. I joined the Army and was in Iraq at 19. Not that impactful. Or in ALTTP, if Link was 18 his uncle would have been in his mid to late 30's. I would have wondered why Link didn't go in the first place. 

It's about an unlikely hero facing an unbeatable foe and winning. That's what is great about young Link stories.


I agree with everything exept you thinking that joining the army at 19 not being impactful, lol. You're a hero dude, on merits of bravery alone.

Well, I appreciate it, but the point is going to war is an adults responsibility, not a childs. Lol.

I do get your point the, going into battle is never an easy thing to do I suppose.



padib said:
spemanig said:
padib said:

I really don't see the "link" between Young Link and Journey.

The adult link in the OoT pic at the lower end of your thread (under I don't want these) is part of the same game as the young link in your early pics (I want these).

I understand that you want a more lively and dreamy game, but adult link doesn't limit that at all.


There is no "link" between young Link and Journey. That was a separate tangent.

I don't mind adult Link it OoT because that served a thematic purpose. I only put him on the list because I wanted to stress a point.

It's not about me wanting a "lively and dreamy" game. I think MM is a master peice and the worlds greatest video game sequel. It's about how adult Link doesn't by nature fit what I feel Zelda encompases. Adult Link in OoT does, because it's a child trapped in an adult's body. Link is forced to grow up faster than he's supposed to. It's deep. TP's "let's make link older, because that's what the core fans hated about WW," or SS's "well they think older Link is more badass, so here's some more" is the opposite if what Zelda is supposed to be.

RolStoppable said:
The age is not important at all, because The Legend of Zelda is about the world. Link is just an avatar for the player.

Ocarina of Time drives this point home because it featured both, a young and an adult Link.

No. It didn't. The whole game featured a young Link. Adult Link was as much a mechanical transformation in that game as the masks in MM and the wolf in TP. It was still a child on the inside. It's not a game about a young link and an older Link; it's a game about a boy who is forced to grow up. You're playing as a kid inside an adult's body.

And what exactly is Zelda supposed to be about?

And before you answer, I hope you realize adults can hope. If you don't, watch Star Wars?


It definitely isn't about being a "badass" or "mature."



padib said:
spemanig said:

It definitely isn't about being a "badass" or "mature."

How is the link from Skyward Sword badass or mature?

How does being an adult make a character badass or mature?

Are adult characters capable of not being badass or mature?

Have you played Final Fantasy? Have you enjoyed Star Wars?

That's your answer.


LoZ is not FF or Star Wars. And his character in SS is adult so that he can better be "badass." Every Zelda game with only adult Link would be no different/better with child Link. Every Zelda game with child Link would be worse off with adult Link.